Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Subcontractors Register


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to The Blue Book Network. J04n(talk page) 12:48, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Subcontractors Register

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No indication of notability of this publication is given in the article. The only source is findagrave.com and a search doesn't reveal any other sources. Rusf10 (talk) 01:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. MT TrainDiscuss 05:12, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:51, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:37, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep and tag for sourcing. This is an old time annual directory now used as a reference by historians and other researchers looking for info on 19th and early 20th century New York City building contractors.  (Also note that Nom has a reputation, documented on his talk page, for bringing many articles to AfD inappropriately, PRODding others, and failing to follow WP:BEFORE.)E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:47, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:PERSONALATTACK by E.M. Gregory. To be fair maybe we should also note that his behavior at AfD has been the subject of multiple ANIs (but let's try to stay on topic). The article has been unsourced for over a decade, should we wait around another decade to see if sources magically appear?--Rusf10 (talk) 18:53, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes we can wait. Slow pace of development due to lack of magic is not a valid reason to delete. ~Kvng (talk) 23:49, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Walter O'Malley (no merge necessary, as the journal is already mentioned in Walter's article). Sport's Illustrated calls Subcontractors Register a "standard work" which suggests that it might be a useful search term. The periodical also gets passing mention in two places in Walter's biography: https://books.google.com/books?id=-PwoDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA18&dq="Sub-contractors+Register". However, I don't see enough that would suggest a non-OR, NPOV article about it. One concern I have is if the other publisher, Joseph O'Malley, were to someday have an article, then it wouldn't be as obvious to have the redirect point to Walter. I suppose that may come about, but right now I don't see much info about this Joseph O'Malley. I'll point out that this Joseph O'Malley isn't the same as the Marquette philosophy professor Joseph James O'Malley whose writings are frequently referred to on google books (nor the same as Joe O'Malley). Smmurphy(Talk) 21:26, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I've struck my destination in favor of target proposed by IP below, The Blue Book Network. Smmurphy(Talk) 18:19, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete (or Redirect per, above. Merge to The Blue Book Network, per below) With literally no references cited in the article, and nothing that I could dig up, there is apparently is just the passing mentions in the bio mentioned above. Not nearly enough to pass WP:N.
 * references have been added.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:45, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't read the NYT refs because they are pay walled, but they are being used to support a paragraph about O'Mally and rather than about the topic of the article. So I am very skeptical that they provide significant coverage of the topic. The other source merely mentions the topic in passing, so does not established notability either. Yilloslime T C  15:40, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * In fact I've gone ahead and removed the paragraph about O'Malley since it's off topic. Certainly relevant for a Joseph O'Malley article, but not this one. Yilloslime T C  16:23, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Because there were two O'Malleys involved, and because continues to be used as a somewhat widely cited reference work (on the New York building trades a century ago - the scholarly library I use holds a full set), and becasue it was issued annually over the course of decades, I think it makes more sense to keep it as a free standing article. Just tag it for sourcing and hope the next grad student coming to the page will add a source or two.)E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:45, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * None of the sources you added have any in-depth coverage of the subject. The book you added has only a single sentence mentioning the subject. You've only proved the subcontractors register existed, not its significance.--Rusf10 (talk) 15:46, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep or Merge to The Blue Book Network. This article, A century of building Bridges in the construction industry, traces the roots of the Blue Book to O'Malley's Subcontractor's Register. 24.151.116.12 (talk) 17:37, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to The Blue Book Network. I find it hard to believe that a trade directory is independently notable.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:27, 25 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - I find it hard to beleive that a longstanding publication in a major metropolitan area does not meet notability guidelines. The obstacle here is going to the library and digging up the offline sources. ~Kvng (talk) 14:21, 26 February 2018 (UTC)


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