Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Subhasita Samgraha


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 00:08, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Subhasita Samgraha

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Another 25 volumes from the prolific Sarkar. The single independent source cited is a self-published ebook that mentions the collection only in passing. No academic coverage, no popular reviews, and no notability. I wouldn't object to a redirect to the Sarkar bibliography article, but I think the best solution here is a simple delete.

As always: while this collection is certainly an artifact of a "political or religious movement" I haven't been able to find any independent sources that attest to this collection having influenced such a movement. Likewise, Sarkar is a minor player in 20th C. Indian religious movements and as such his life and works have not been a common subject of academic study. Garamond Lethe 20:10, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

*Delete as nom.
 * As nominator, it is assumed you support deletion - no need to also "vote". &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS PEANUTBUTTER &#9734;&#9733; 21:16, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * My bad – thanks for pointing that out. Garamond Lethe  14:33, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature -related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS PEANUTBUTTER &#9734;&#9733; 02:53, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep... but why don't we save everyone a bit of time and trouble here? I am willing to stipulate that all of Garamond's compadres at Fringe/n would or will cast a Delete or Redirect vote here. And I am even willing to predict - not stipulate - that some Wikipedia admin will come here after seven days and simply tally the votes, ignoring the fact that there is no consensus, and decide to either delete or redirect. There's no need to dedicate much energy putting lipstick on this pig. Hence, I offer a proforma response to Garamond's proforma nomination. --Abhidevananda (talk) 07:29, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Editor's long comment & note for the closing Admin.: for nearly a month the same group of users is proposing the deletion of dozens of articles I had written on WP. All articles belonged to the vast literary production of a single author. Let's suppose that some articles were poorly written, or that others were even not very encyclopedic. But that so many articles can be proposed for deletion by a single group of users, with various excuses, seems to me absurd and suspicious. WP was born to spread the totality of human knowledge, not only a part of it. Everyone is invited on WP to cooperatively create/maximize/improve new articles not to delete them. Deleting an article should only be an exceptional case and not a way of working of a group of editors. Censorship is an ancient art. I am experienced enough in history to be able to say that. Some expert users on WP seems not involved at all in the hard task of building new articles but in the relatively easy job of deleting many of them. Using bureaucratic quibbles as a weapon to censor/delete the encyclopedic representation of the part of knowledge that they simply don't like or don't understand.
 * Instead of devoting their energies to increase the number of new articles, literally they chase you all around WP, analitically examining your talks and articles to find loopholes or a reason to stop your editing if they don't agree with the contents. What I am saying are not chatter in the wind: you can easily check it by just doing an analysis of the historical contributions of many "deleters". Hundreds of hours used in inconclusive, furious quarrels, personal attacks, angry deletions reserved for the "enemies", many "good tips" and very, very few or no new articles at all.
 * My opinion is that this is the best way to kill WP: if everything will remain so many editors will go away one after another. At the same time the increasing volume of human knowledge will require in the near future an increasing number of editors... Thanks.--Cornelius383 (talk) 17:35, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep: for the reasons above.--Cornelius383 (talk) 17:35, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mkdw talk 02:20, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment Discussion so far have been pleads with the community (copy & pasted across multiple AfDs) that are not AfD discussion regarding the article or policies. Re-listed for direct AfD discussion. Mkdw talk 02:22, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Documentation: Sorry for not giving this AfD nomination. I've been coping with a lot of non-WP work in addition to the onslaught of AfDs on Sarkar-related articles (I believe there are 9 concurrent AfDs from this nominator alone). Regarding the nominator's claim that there is no academic coverage, that is not correct. Academic coverage is even cited in the article itself (vide Kang: Sarkar and the Buddha's Four Noble Truths). As may be seen here, this serious academic article also appears in the journal "Philosophy East & West" Volume 61 Number 2 April 2011 303-323, published by the University of Hawaii Press. There is a much larger document by Kang - his PhD thesis - that I will try to secure a copy of by writing to him. In all likelihood, this doctoral thesis will have more references to the Subhasita Samgraha series. --Abhidevananda (talk) 12:49, 9 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Citations (still) don't count towards notability. Garamond Lethe
 * *Editor's note: Garamond your atempt to delete all articles related with Shrii P. R. Sarkar continues also when academic coverage is evident.--Cornelius383 (talk) 19:27, 9 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete; there may be a handful of tenuous google hits, and some coverage from other points within the Sarkarverse, but without indepth discussion by independent sources, it fails our notability guideline. bobrayner (talk) 00:44, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete For this to be notable, this collection of his essays as such would need being notable, not merely the content which he expresses there and elsewhere. I have been from the first a supporter of full coverage of fringe subjects, for where else can people expect to find reliable information but a comprehensive encyclopedia such as ours? But this is excessive detail, and does not warrant a separate article. My advice to the supporters of the articles on him is tat they themselves try to combine articles and remove the least important. A few stronger articles is always better. GTrying to get too many gives the impression of promotionalism.  DGG ( talk ) 03:14, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:NBOOK. I agree that significant secondary source coverage is required for a stand-alone article. The assertion has been made that this exists, but I don't see it. Location (talk) 16:23, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
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