Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sudbury Ontario – Street Addresses and Buildings


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Consensus to keep in its present state.  DGG ( talk ) 06:04, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Sudbury Ontario – Street Addresses and Buildings

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Contested prod. This is just a list of street addresses that belong to notable buildings in Sudbury, Ontario. Wikipedia is neither a directory nor a travel guide.  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 04:52, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. My initial urge was to delete, but there might be merit in taking some of the information in this article and using it to create an article entitled list of notable buildings in Sudbury Ontario or something along those lines. Assuming that the buildings mentioned are actually notable in some format, of course. Much of the list seems to be sourced from 1-2 links. I know that you can sometimes have notability shown from one or two sources, but it's fairly rare unless you're sourcing a claim of an overwhelmingly notable award or something along those lines.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 05:10, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * And I emphasize might, because some of the stuff looks somewhat dubious as notable landmarks or historical sites or the like.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 05:12, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd be all for something titled List of notable buildings in Sudbury, Ontario that lists no street addresses (arranged by type of building rather than street) and in which one of the inclusion criteria is that every entry must have a Wikipedia article. But I've been in that city before, and I doubt there is much that such a list could contain. Sudbury may be the largest city in Northern Ontario, but by the standards of many other regions it's a small town. --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 06:13, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Just note that List of tallest buildings in Greater Sudbury already has a section on other "significant structures." And as I'm sure you know, "notable" should generally not be used in any list, article or category title. best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:34, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - the article in its current state is useless anyway as there are no links to any other Wiki articles, and it doesn't seem like something that's relevant. I'd have no issue with the proposed new article though. Lukeno94 (talk) 10:02, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTADIRECTORY. Qworty (talk) 11:51, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Do not keep as is. Delete, userfy to rewrite to comply with guidelines or redirect to List of tallest buildings in Greater Sudbury, if desired. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Far too random a topic for a wikipedia page. Would be much better served as List of historic buildings in Greater Sudbury.Mattximus (talk) 16:17, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I would say Keep with the new name and format (tables); the page is now much more relevant. Mattximus (talk) 00:26, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:03, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:04, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:06, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Transwiki to Wikivoyage. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 21:28, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and moved the article to List of historic buildings in Greater Sudbury per what seems to me to be Talk page consensus. I now believe it simply needs to be improved, not deleted. In retrospect a talk page discussion might have avoided the need to go to Afd at all, but sometimes this does provide the impetus for action. I personally have no problem if the list creator wants to retain the street address structure for the list, at least for now. I think we have a good start on listing notable historic structures in the city, so keep. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:26, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, for any confusion but I've changed that to List of historic places in Greater Sudbury per the recently created Category:Lists of historic places in Ontario. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:39, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Changing my !vote to Keep per redirect created. Waiting for consensus of outstanding Delete !votes before withdrawing altogether. --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 01:23, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Great. I should point out here that the article creator is being very reasonable about the whole thing and I do think we need a list of historic structures for Greater Sudbury, which was and is an important centre -- economically, historically and culturally -- for northern Ontario, and is rather underrepresented in Wikipedia, it seems to me. I have fond memories of once visiting for the Sudbury film fest, and would be happy to help. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:17, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * In the original form in which this existed and was nominated, I would probably have agreed with the deletion, because it was a silly title which obscured the actual significance and validity of the list. However, per the (very smart) rescue efforts of Shawn in Montreal and others, I agree that it's now much more keepable — in fact, we routinely keep lists of designated historic properties in many cities around the world, including many places which are much smaller and less significant than Sudbury. Plus the list cites some very solid references, including at least two that I've quite regularly used as a source in other articles. And there's plenty of expansion opportunity here as well — just as a right off the top of my head example, one building on this list is going to be incorporated into the new Northern Ontario School of Architecture campus. So yeah, it's now a keep. Bearcat (talk) 16:31, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 16:54, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - I looked at the old version of the article, and had it stayed like that I could certainly see an argument for deletion, no doubt. Although I would personally remove the external link from the lede, it seems to cover a subject that would be too detailed in the already-sufficiently-large Greater Sudbury, and has sufficient sourcing to establish some level of notability for the topic. - SudoGhost 21:32, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Whatever it looked like before, it look good now. Well-referenced, not crufty, etc. Roodog2k (talk) 20:12, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.