Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sudhanoti


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The result was redirect Sudhanoti to Sudhanoti District and delete First Government of Sidhnuti Azad Kashmir on October 4,1947'''‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Seraphimblade Talk to me 08:26, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Sudhanoti

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Largely unverifiable. I can't find references to "Jassi Khan Siddozai", "Sidhnuti", Sudhanoti combined with 1407...

The same applies to other creations by same editor or around same topics, e.g. in First Government of Sidhnuti Azad Kashmir on October 4,1947, I checked the first two and the last sources, and neither mentions Sidhnuti or Sudhanoti. Fram (talk) 08:35, 1 February 2024 (UTC) Also nominated:


 * First Government of Sidhnuti Azad Kashmir on October 4,1947

If these creations are indeed problematic, then the relevant edits to other articles like Sudhan and Sudhanoti District need to be reverted as well, and their other edits checked. Fram (talk) 08:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Royalty and nobility,  and Pakistan. Fram (talk) 08:35, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Respected, as I have quoted in this article Pirzada Irshad Ahmad's book (Handbook on Azad Jammu and Kashmir) from Nawab Jassi Khan's capture of Pounch to establishing his government near Bhan and this The details of naming Sidhnuti are available from pages 150 to 156.  See the link
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=Nawab+Jassi+tribe&client=ms-android-samsung-gj-rev1&sca_esv=4f6f0c95dc8e20e4&biw=384&bih=714&tbm=bks&sxsrf=ACQVn08rZ_BeRhSG4C71rsfhcYwgdN5S_A%3A1706953110807&ei=lgm-ZY_pMNHnxc8P-d-hiAk&oq=Nawab+Jassi+tribe&gs_lp=Eg9tb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXNlcnAiEU5hd2FiIEphc3NpIHRyaWJlMggQABiABBiiBDIIEAAYgAQYogQyCBAAGIAEGKIESN89UKsJWPA0cAB4AJABAJgBvQagAdAfqgELMi0yLjQuMC4xLjK4AQPIAQD4AQGKAhltb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwLW1vZGVzwgIEEB4YCsICBBAjGCeIBgE&sclient=mobile-gws-serp
 * Second, the first government of Azad Kashmir was established in Palindri tehsil of Sudhanoti District and it was the area that first became independent from the Dogra continuum in present-day Azad Kashmir. As mentioned in this article, Siddhavanti was a district of Jammu province of Jammu and Kashmir from 1940 to 1947.  The first capital of Azad Kashmir was established here.  For references, see the book Prospects for Peace in South Asia
 * https://books.google.com.sa/books?id=TwO9zmj6aQ0C&pg=PA115&dq=What+is+the+old+capital+of+AJK?&hl=ur&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjEwaH8iI-EAxWYcvEDHUyWA7A4FBDoAXoECAcQAw#v=onepage&q=What%20is%20the%20old%20capital%20of%20AJK%3F&f=false مشرا (talk) 12:26, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That first source doesn't even mention Sidhnuti or the year 1407, so it's hardly a good reference for an article about a country supposedly established in 1407. The second source doesn't mention Sidhnuti or Sudhanoti. There is no evidence that reliable sources ever call this the "First Government of Sidhnuti Azad Kashmir" or that any entity is called "Sidhnuti Azad Kashmir". There is also no evidence that a government was established on 4 October, the source you provide gives the date 24 October for the establishment of the Government of Azad Kashmir (page 115). Fram (talk) 08:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Book Pakistan-1967
 * World Historian Ian Melville Stephens
 * The movement of Azad Kashmir was actually the movement of Sidhnuti, which after the Sidhnuti rebellion, this movement changed into the movement of Azad Kashmir Page 200 link book 👇
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=Sudhnuti+revolt+-+which+later+evolved+into+the+%27+Azad+Kashmir+%27+movements+had+sent+men+across+the+Indus+plain+into+Pathan+tribal+territory+to+seek+arms+.+At+this+time+%2C+and+on+into+November+%2C+the+future+political+relations+%28+if+any+%29+of+.&client=ms-android-samsung-gj-rev1&sca_esv=82c0f5fcf9e8a56e&biw=384&bih=714&tbm=bks&sxsrf=ACQVn0-hxoUu5w455Bz4NldMyxjyNnYYbQ%3A1707149297086&ei=8QfBZd_sBNiBxc8PytuckAs&oq=Sudhnuti+revolt+-+which+later+evolved+into+the+%27+Azad+Kashmir+%27+movements+had+sent+men+across+the+Indus+plain+into+Pathan+tribal+territory+to+seek+arms+.+At+this+time+%2C+and+on+into+November+%2C+the+future+political+relations+%28+if+any+%29+of+.&gs_lp=Eg9tb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXNlcnAi7gFTdWRobnV0aSByZXZvbHQgLSB3aGljaCBsYXRlciBldm9sdmVkIGludG8gdGhlICcgQXphZCBLYXNobWlyICcgbW92ZW1lbnRzIGhhZCBzZW50IG1lbiBhY3Jvc3MgdGhlIEluZHVzIHBsYWluIGludG8gUGF0aGFuIHRyaWJhbCB0ZXJyaXRvcnkgdG8gc2VlayBhcm1zIC4gQXQgdGhpcyB0aW1lICwgYW5kIG9uIGludG8gTm92ZW1iZXIgLCB0aGUgZnV0dXJlIHBvbGl0aWNhbCByZWxhdGlvbnMgKCBpZiBhbnkgKSBvZiAuSP0iULsJWK0ZcAB4AJABBJgBngOgAdQQqgEFMy01LjG4AQPIAQD4AQGKAhltb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwLW1vZGVzqAIAwgIEECMYJ8ICBRAhGKABiAYB&sclient=mobile-gws-serp مشرا (talk) 16:10, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The first thing is to check this article again
 * Because in this article
 * First Government of Sidhnuti Azad Kashmir on October 4,1947
 * It is clearly written that no government was established in Sidhnuti on October 4, 1947. Rather, on October 4, 1947, Siddhnuti, when all the areas of present-day Azad Kashmir were the first to be freed from Dogra continuity, the Azad Kashmir government was announced in Siddhnuti on October 4, 1947.
 * The government was established on 24 October 1947 at Chonjal Hill town of [Pallandri Tehsil] of Sudhanoti District.
 * The main reason for this was that on October 4, 1947, there was no parliamentary house in Siddhnuti from which the system of government could be run.
 * Therefore, this temporary government structure was started from Moti Mahal in Rawalpindi.
 * After which this rebel revolutionary government prepared a 40-room Parliament House at Sidhnuti Chunjal Hill within twenty days.
 * Subsequently, on 24 October 1947, the same government was shifted from Moti Mahal in Rawalpindi to Sidhnuti Chonjal Hill.
 * If you want more information then on October 4, 1947 the government announced in Sidhnuti
 * And on October 24, 1947, a whole book has been written on the government that was established in Palindri of Sidhanuti, you can visit it by opening the link.
 * https://www.academia.edu/43135608/Azad_Kashmir_is_it_Azad
 * _______
 * Secondly, the movement of Azad Kashmir was actually the movement of the Siddhnuti state because Siddhnuti has been an independent and independent state for many centuries.
 * That is why people believed in his independence.
 * I am not saying this, but all this is found in the history of world intellectuals. For references, see British historian (Ian Melville Stephens) book (Pakistan) 👇 https://www.google.com/search?q=Sudhnuti+ revolt&client=ms-android-samsung-gj-rev1&sca_esv=82c0f5fcf9e8a56e&biw=384&bih=714&tbm=bks&sxsrf=ACQVn08shxb3dVqOHMG6pvwM9yfbqJf7KQ%3A1706901368404&ei=eD-9ZZKZGOrBxc8Pn4O4iAM &udm=&oq=Sudhnuti+revolt&gs_lp=Eg9tb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXNlcnAiD1N1ZGhudXRpIHJldm9sdDIEECMYJ0jqTFD-M1igQHAAeACQAQCYAY0GoAH1HqoBCTMtMy4xLjMuMbgBA8gBAPgBAYoCGW1vYmlsZS1nd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAtbW9kZXOIBgE &sclient=mobile-gws-serp
 * In which he writes that the movement of Azad Kashmir was actually the Sidhnuti rebellion and the movement of Sidhnuti which later turned into the Azad Kashmir movement.
 * Such is the founding president of Azad Kashmir
 * Sardar Ibrahim Khan
 * He also writes in his book The Kashmir Saga. See the link👇
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=Sudhnuti+revolt+--+which+later+evolved+into+the+Azad+Kashmir+%27+movement+--+had+sent+men+across+the+Indus+Plain+into+Pathan+tribal+territory+to+seek+arms+.+At+this+time+%2C+and+on+into+November+%2C+the+future+political+relations+%28+if+any+%29&client=ms-android-samsung-gj-rev1&sca_esv=82c0f5fcf9e8a56e&biw=384&bih=770&tbm=bks&sxsrf=ACQVn0_0hEbhy4AYGoiLbint4SaCWdPv2g%3A1707146269720&ei=HfzAZe-2K4-A9u8PrdSF2Ak&oq=Sudhnuti+revolt+--+which+later+evolved+into+the+Azad+Kashmir+%27+movement+--+had+sent+men+across+the+Indus+Plain+into+Pathan+tribal+territory+to+seek+arms+.+At+this+time+%2C+and+on+into+November+%2C+the+future+political+relations+%28+if+any+%29&gs_lp=Eg9tb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXNlcnAi6gFTdWRobnV0aSByZXZvbHQgLS0gd2hpY2ggbGF0ZXIgZXZvbHZlZCBpbnRvIHRoZSBBemFkIEthc2htaXIgJyBtb3ZlbWVudCAtLSBoYWQgc2VudCBtZW4gYWNyb3NzIHRoZSBJbmR1cyBQbGFpbiBpbnRvIFBhdGhhbiB0cmliYWwgdGVycml0b3J5IHRvIHNlZWsgYXJtcyAuIEF0IHRoaXMgdGltZSAsIGFuZCBvbiBpbnRvIE5vdmVtYmVyICwgdGhlIGZ1dHVyZSBwb2xpdGljYWwgcmVsYXRpb25zICggaWYgYW55IClI9hNQ9wpY9wpwAHgAkAEAmAEAoAEAqgEAuAEDyAEA-AEBigIZbW9iaWxlLWd3cy13aXotc2VycC1tb2Rlc6gCAA&sclient=mobile-gws-serp مشرا (talk) 15:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The above discussion about Nawab Jassi Khan's rule in Sidhnuti has been answered by Pir Irshad's book. I have no more time to work on this free project.  Do with this article as you see fit.  Thanks, this is the last discussion from me. مشرا (talk) 09:21, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Academia.edu is not a reliable source, anyone can post there, and even then the source you give doesn't even mention Sudhanoti/Sidhnuti... Your source about the Sidhnuti revolt doesn't mention e.g. 1407, so I guess it is about the 4 October government? The quote you give at least mentions Sidhnuti, but that's it. Your second book, "The Kashmir Saga", literally repeats the first book. Do you have any reliable source for the independent kingdom founded in 1407? Fram (talk) 08:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the guide, there is an article on State Siddhanoti on Urdu Wikipedia. How about linking this article to the Sudhanoti article on the English Wikipedia?  Link to article on State of Sudhnuti on Urdu Wikipedia👇
 * سدھنوتی ریاست
 * https://ur.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B3%D8%AF%DA%BE%D9%86%D9%88%D8%AA%DB%8C_%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA مشرا (talk) 04:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 03:32, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Sudhanoti District: The page as published is not ready for mainspace, it is mainly unreferenced original research. I think the combined info from all the sources make this a two paragraph summary in the target article, not a stand alone article. There is nothing properly sourced for a merge, but no objection to someone merging RS they think useful into the target.
 * re: First Government of Sidhnuti Azad Kashmir on October 4,1947 not ready for mainspace, a lot of words but very little information, and sources do not demonstrate notability for a stand alone article. This should Redirect to History of Azad Kashmir. There is nothing properly sourced for a merge, but no objection to someone merging RS they think useful into the target.
 * No objection to a consensus redirect(s) to another target.  // Timothy :: talk  05:01, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree, redirect to Sudhanoti District. HistoriesUnveiler (talk) 21:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect Sudhanoti to Sudhanoti District and delete First Government of Sidhnuti Azad Kashmir on October 4,1947. I could support a redirect of the second article per commenters above, but I consider the article title to be so implausible as a search request as to be of no benefit. As best I am able to determine these central assertions of these articles are unverifiable. I am no subject matter expert, and certainly could be mistaken, but the links to Google book searches are unhelpful as there is often no way to know whether any given user will see a specific page. In my case, nothing relevant to the discussion was shown. I tried my own search, but was unable to locate an Kashmiri kindom in 1407 that in any way matches the article. There may be a notable topic that can be written about with foreign language sources, but we will have to do a much better job of establishing that they comply with WP:V. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  05:32, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect Sudhanoti to Sudhanoti District and delete First Government of Sidhnuti Azad Kashmir on October 4,1947--between the ultra-specific title and the typo in the date (no space between the comma and 1947), I agree that this is not a useful redirect. signed,Rosguill talk 15:06, 26 February 2024 (UTC)


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