Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sudsy Malone's Rock 'n Roll Laundry & Bar


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The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 00:35, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Sudsy Malone's Rock 'n Roll Laundry & Bar

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Sigh. I love this place. I probably went to a few hundred shows there and performed on it's stage a dozen or so times myself. To me, it is and was an important and unique place. I mean really, a bar featuring live music pretty much every night, where there is no cover if you bring a bag of laundry... that's just awesome. And many bands that went on to greater fame graced it's stage. But is the venue itself notable in the broader sense? It is no problem to find hundreds of raw google hits for it, but most of them are directory type listings or mentions of shows that took place there. There is very little on the establichment itself. The one reference currenty included appears to be a sort of "guide to everything" so being included in it is probably not an indication of notability. I found one or two mentions of their closure a few years ago, but nothing substantial. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:32, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Uncle G (talk) 22:35, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * In case it wasn't clear, I would love to be proven wrong here. However your not giving us much to go on with this. Looks like a two page article in a local magazine. Have you even read it? Does it go into depth about the venue itself? Can it be used to expand the article, etc? Beeblebrox (talk) 22:58, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Comment. "Saturday at Sudsy Malone's" can be read at GBooks:. Insufficient by itself to show notability (it would have been nice if the author had explicitly called it a "local landmark" or something like that), but it's a start, anyway. --Arxiloxos (talk) 03:33, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mediran  ( t  •  c ) 11:04, 1 February 2013 (UTC)


 * the thing is, it never really was a "local landmark" unless you were part of a few specific subcultures in the late 80's and most of the 90's. I've just taken a very depressing walk down memory lane using Google street view and it is clear that the city got what it wanted, it completely and totally killed everything unique and interesting in this neighborhood and it mow looks like any other generic city street with cell phone stores and crappy sport bars. Sudsy's, at least when Google was there, is just a blank storefront. Everything else I remember from this block, except Bogarts, is gone. For those of us that were part of that scene Sudsy's will no doubt retain a special place in our memory, but the world at large took little notice of what went on there. This is just how cities go i suppose, in my parent's day all the hippioes hung out in Mount Adams, now a very expensive place to live and not somehwere any hippies would be welcome. And the Clifton scene aged out and moved to Northside. I feel old. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:19, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I know how you feel; I have a few remember'd places like that too. There'd at least be a case to merge a sentence or two (plus a reference to the magazine article), presumably to Corryville, Cincinnati where this place is already mentioned unless there's a better target. --Arxiloxos (talk) 20:24, 1 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep The reference already in the article is The Rough Guide to the USA which highlights this establishment as a landmark in Cincinnati. This is quite adequate as an indication of notability and AFD is not Wikipedia's laundry room.  Me, I miss lots of establishments such as the Chicago Pizza Pie Factory.  There's no article for that so that's what needs fixing, not this. Warden (talk) 11:31, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - An overview of some found sources:
 * Book/Magazine sources: long article, short article , very short article, basically a listing
 * News sources: (both paywalled), , short article (mostly mentions of bands)
 * Additional sources have been found that are not included here, because they consist of passing mentions (e.g. ). — Northamerica1000(talk) 11:31, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LlamaAl (talk) 00:20, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mediran  ( t  •  c ) 00:56, 16 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. Coverage is just sufficient to have an article. --Michig (talk) 11:51, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - Substantial, independently-produced published coverage from the Aug. 1987 issue of Cincinnati Magazine, "Saturday at Sudsy Malone's: A Lot of Noise, A Jug of Tide and Thou," by Albert Pyle. Passes GNG. Carrite (talk) 23:19, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, money, here's another one that I've discovered listed in the bibliography of the book Going to Cincinnati: A History of the Blues in the Queen City...: Steven Rosen, "Sudsy Malone's: The Leader of the Laundromats," Cincinnati Enquirer, Sept. 28, 1986, pp. 28, 30.
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