Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suhai Aziz Talpur (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The notability of the subject is severely brought into question by a combination of (a) sources of questionable reliability, (b) a lack of substantial coverage therein outside of routine local news and (c) the questionable nature of "first female (rank) from (locality)" as any kind of encyclopedic claim to notability in the first place. Consensus, based on guidelines/policies on substantial news coverage other than routine in confirmed reliable sources does not seem to support keeping this questionably notable BLP. ~ mazca  talk 22:11, 9 May 2018 (UTC) ~  mazca  talk 22:11, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Suhai Aziz Talpur
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NAC of last AfD by user who has now been topic-banned. Claim to notability is that she "is considered to be the first female from Lower Sindh to reach the rank of ASP in the Pakistan Police Services." Not the first female police officer, but the first female from a certain location to reach a certain rank. Most of the coverage is about routine police activities she is involved in, which is inherent in being a police officer, see also WP:ROUTINE. I don't see any in-depth coverage, aside from some public interest articles about a female from the certain place serving in a certain police role. Including facts like "When Talpur's parents first decided to enroll her at a school, most of their relatives started "taunting" the familty. They eventually decided to leave the village and move to a nearby town". I just don't see it passing WP:N, and I want to get clear consensus since past AfD was involved in the recent AfD topic bans. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ  15:13, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep There was 4-0 consensus to Keep this article at its previous AfD. The subject has received significant coverage in reputable press. Her achievement in being the first female police officer from Sindh seems significant, and follow-up articles show she has had continuing success in the role. We have articles about people who are notable for much less impressive achievements. Our test of notability is not whether you personally are interested by what made someone notable but whether journalists and other reliable sources are interested. HouseOfChange (talk) 16:49, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment that is not really a response to this nomination, and I don't see any useful factual or policy assertions. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia  ᐐT₳LKᐬ  16:53, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Two of the users who voted keep in previous AfD are now XFD topic banned. --Saqib (talk) 05:05, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information, which I did not know. I see a topic ban from AfDs for Arif80s. Which of the other 3 keep votes is topic banned? HouseOfChange (talk) 05:16, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The one who made strong keep vote. --Saqib (talk) 05:21, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Clarification From WP:N: "'Significant coverage' addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content." This nomination admits, as 4 other people also stated in the previous AfD discussion, that Talpur has indeed received "in-depth coverage" including details that describe her childhood and education. Please cite policy justification that this in-depth coverage should not establish notability because 1) you personally do not consider her achievement significant and 2) in-depth coverage of her occurred in "public interest articles." Is there a policy exception somewhere denouncing "public interest articles"? I rarely see any other kind of article used as a source of significant biographical detail for our biographies. HouseOfChange (talk) 17:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete "First female ASP from lower Sindh" is not something that would be expected to have an article on English Wikipedia, unless meet GNG. Search doesn't produce any significant coverage in the independent RS about the person except only one human interest story so Can't see any significance, --Saqib (talk) 05:19, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I clicked through the references and there is significant discussion about this person to satisfy WP:GNG. Per WP:NEXIST, there are likely more sources in her native language. Lonehexagon (talk) 22:44, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * You may don't know, but two of the sources (awamiweb.com and jworldtimes.com) you provided are not reliable by any means. --Saqib (talk) 12:09, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you have more information about that? Lonehexagon (talk) 16:37, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * More information about these two sources being unreliable? Being a Pakistani, I never saw their usage as a RS anywhere, on or off Wikipedia. If it make sense to you I would say try external links search. Awamiweb.com cited nowhere whereas the latter one is cited in a couple of articles and should be removed outright. --Saqib (talk) 16:44, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 16:01, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:NBIO. No notable Ghits. Kirbanzo (talk) 18:32, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete -- no indications of notability beyond being first woman. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:34, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


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