Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sulev Mäeltsemees


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The result was keep. No delete votes remaining after 7 days (non-admin closure) Ahecht (TALK PAGE ) 19:38, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Sulev Mäeltsemees

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Delete: as non-notable academician and civil servant. Quis separabit? 23:37, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  lavender |(formerly HMSSolent )| lambast  00:31, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Estonia-related deletion discussions.  lavender |(formerly HMSSolent )| lambast  00:31, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - the Estonian version of this article notes that it was taken from the Biographical Lexicon of Estonian Science from the Estonian Academy of Science and Technology, which has an agreement with the Wikimedia foundation to publish its biographies on Wikipedia. Therefore it would seem that he is considered notable within the Estonian community. —Мандичка YO 😜 01:30, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, pending: Wikimandia, you're inferring again, and we just can't do that. You can't just assume that because information is taken from a particular book, a subject meets the requirements of the GNG.  You have to demonstrate that with significant coverage in reliable sources. Since different Wikipedias have different standards, we likewise can't take it on faith that he's notable because he's got an article over on the Estonian Wikipedia.  If we can get a source for his chairing the Tallinn City Council, that'd be a WP:POLITICIAN pass, but we do need that source.   Ravenswing   06:06, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't say his notability came from him having a profile on the Estonian Wikipedia. —Мандичка YO 😜 06:15, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I added a source: link, it's in English and reliable (the site is "established by the Estonian Ministry of Education and Research in cooperation with ... (etc)"). — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 15:26, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: Your source is a CV that isn't, in fact, in English, but Google Translate handles Estonian, and it does support the claim that the subject was on the Tallinn City Council, which is a POLITICIAN pass. Good work.   Ravenswing   05:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry, I thought it would show the English version (because of the "&lang=en" at the end of the link) but there are "EST" and "ENG" buttons on the upper right corner of the site, the ENG button should show the English version. There's even a short bio/summary there about Mäeltsemees, that doesn't exist on the Estonian version. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 06:48, 7 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment I'm not totally sure yet but the contents of the Estonian article seem to imply that he's notable, including the part about being a recipient of the Order of the White Star in 2002. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 15:05, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note that he only received the fourth grade of a five-grade order. We would probably not consider that to qualify under WP:ANYBIO #1. We certainly don't consider the fourth grade of five-grade orders in Britain to qualify (although the first three grades would) and I don't see why Estonia should be any different, given the Order of the White Star looks to be functionally identical. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:55, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Having said that, I think the combination of his posts and honours do just about push him above the notability bar. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:55, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 12:59, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - Per WP:POLOUTCOMES. He was Chairman of the city council of the capital city/largest city of a sovereign country, and lots of coverage in Estonian. Kraxler (talk) 00:55, 12 June 2015 (UTC)


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