Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sum Ying Fung (2nd nomination)


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The result was merge to List of Canadian supercentenarians. Randykitty (talk) 11:07, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Sum Ying Fung
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Time for another AfD. Non-notable supercentenarian, receiving minor municipal recognition and a one-time shout out from the queen are basically all we have here. Maybe a minibio on the Canadian list, but certainly not enough for a full article. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 15:53, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete This article fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO1E, WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:NOPAGE. There is no policy that the "oldest x" is notable and this article is packed with longevity fancruft like she was impacted by an immigration law, witnessed a well known event in China, and survived cancer. Her name, life dates, and nationality are best handled on a list. This WP:PERMASTUB is not needed. Newshunter12 (talk) 23:38, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete This is getting too much, there was a whole list of articles created by an editor on Titanic Survivors who lived for quite a long time then died, all of which were AFDed, and the most recent i saw was here here though deleted now. Just because she lived to 100 doesn't serve as a requirement for meeting notability if not we would have thousands of pages everyday on this topic. I say not Notable enough to have a page. PlotHelpful (talk) 10:06, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * As I noted at Articles for deletion/Sum Ying Fung, the subject passes Notability. "Keep The subject passes Notability with coverage in The Province, CBC.ca, 加拿大家园, and The Vancouver Sun. 's arguments against WP:NOPAGE are convincing. I strongly agree with his eloquent comment that: In a sense, all biographies are 'pedestrian life details'. It is the extent of biographical coverage in reliable sources, not some arbitrary criterion for 'importance', that determines notability." I am fine with not having a standalone article if the material is preserved and is presented in another article. Merge/redirect to List of Canadian supercentenarians, as suggested by the nominator, which I have done. Cunard (talk) 06:08, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Per sources found by Cunard shows this passes WP:GNG, WP:BIO1E and WP:NOTINHERITED. NOPAGE does not apply due to significant coverage. Valoem talk contrib 04:16, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete no all bios are not just normal life details. Notable bios are about people who accomplished something extra ordinary. I know quite a few people who have been mentioned in Vancouver press and don't warrent a Wikipedia article. Even the Vancouve rSun says she is claimed to be the oldest. Legacypac (talk) 08:33, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Reaching a certain age is an lifetime accomplishment not 1 event. It is an achievement that takes over 110 years and because it is notable, reliable sources begin covering these people. This is how we determine notability here. In fact there are more billionaires than supercentenarians because to reach such age is more difficult and more notable than earning a billion in net worth. Rarely does NOPAGE applied because most sources do not just state there age, they question their lifestyle to determine how such longevity is achieved. It is only common sense to cover supercentenarians in fact we should have even more articles about them, but this history of deleting supercentenarians has been very destructive to Wikipedia. Valoem talk <b style="color: Green;">contrib</b> 10:34, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * See [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nicholas_Kao_Se_Tseien_(2nd_nomination)&diff=871826865&oldid=871777619 here]. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 18:26, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete same reason as Nabi Tajima. Born, lived, "wow they've been alive for awhile", and that's it. Soft news. Someone should make a supercentenarian Wikia. MarkAQuinn (talk) 18:27, 3 December 2018 (UTC) • MarkAQuinn (contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep. My position hasn't changed since the last AfD. There is enough coverage in reliable sources about this woman to justify having a standalone article. I'm not convinced by the "longetivity cruft" argument presented above: to say some reliably sourceable life details are inherently worth more notability than others is a systemic bias issue that we should avoid. Deryck C. 11:14, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Canadian supercentenarians, as performed by, with thanks. — JFG talk 12:13, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:Bio, specifically that her life was "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded." I assert that extreme longevity passes that test. RS, as already laid out in the article, back up the claims made therein, causing this person to pass the GNG. schetm (talk) 08:34, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * As the nominator, Cunard's merge looks good to me. Much appreciated. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 14:04, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge per Cunard. CommanderLinx (talk) 10:34, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 15:53, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep If one regards longevity records as no more notable than tiddlywink records, then the biographies of high scorers will seem trivial. But a sizeable minority of people (I confess I'm one) find the topic fascinating. Wikipedia would be poorer without them. --Davidcpearce (talk) 16:56, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GNG. No other notability than surviving to an old age. Skirts89 (talk) 18:56, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Longevity is an accident, not an achievement. David notMD (talk) 22:44, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Canadian supercentenarians. Longevity may lead to notability, but in this case it led to WP:BIO1E coverage - a small spate of coverage in Canadian and Chinese outfits shortly before and after her death. Icewhiz (talk) 11:32, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see enough evidence of the type of sustained, in-depth coverage that would satisfy the requirements for a standalone page per WP:N. Anything of encyclopedic value can be included on one of the many longevity-related lists on Wikipedia. Canadian   Paul  06:31, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge per Cunard. I don't believe old age immediately qualifies as being notable enough for a stand-alone page. All pertinent details look great in Cunard's merge.  Denied Club ❯❯❯ talk?  22:26, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


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