Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sumaya Dalmar


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Sumaya Dalmar

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WP:BIO1E of a person notable primarily for dying. While her death did receive a brief two-day blip of media coverage due to speculation that it might have been a case of anti-transgender violence, this article somewhat pointedly avoids the sources in which the Toronto Police Service explicitly confirmed that she was not murdered, but instead continues to indirectly imply that possibility — and no further media coverage has taken place since that two-day blip, so we still don't know of any other reason why her death could be deemed permanently encyclopedic. And the article makes no particularly substantive claim that she'd qualify for an encyclopedia article for anything she accomplished before she died, either. Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if some stronger case for notability (e.g. a Rehtaeh Parsons-sized whopper of a legal or social consequence) comes to light — as sad as this story may be, Wikipedia does not exist as a space to memorialize every private citizen who ever died, and unfounded/refuted speculation about the circumstances of her death doesn't make her more notable than usual in and of itself. Bearcat (talk) 16:08, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The mere fact that she is the first well-known transgender Somali, and the first Somali transgender activist itself makes her pass WP:GNG in my opinion. I like how u rotate (talk) 19:47, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * And what specific activist activities does the article document her as having ever actually undertaken and gotten coverage for? A person passes our notability guidelines by doing something, not by being something — it's not enough to just say she was an activist and therefore GNG is automatically passed just because the word "activist" has been invoked, if the article doesn't document and source any specific things she did as an activist.
 * And incidentally, the source which you claim credits her as "being the first prominently known Somali transgender individual in history" doesn't actually say anything of the sort — it merely says that she was the first Somali transgender person that specific writer had ever met, which isn't the same thing in the slightest. Bearcat (talk) 21:43, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I'm not even Canadian but have known of her since 2013, two years before she died, due to the documentary. In 2014 I again remembered her due to the fact that her story was among the first google returns as well as among the most numerous biographies when typing the word "somali canadian" onto google - one of the most prominent diaspora communities btw. She is also one of the few westerners that have documented the relationship between the trans and Islamic communities. There is one thing that springs to mind from this; that she was (somewhat) notable prior to her death. And I have since altered the text a bit. I like how u rotate (talk) 00:16, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep There are plenty of sources, enough to establish WP:GNG for 3rd party coverage. The article is only a few days old, so I also think the guideline WP:DONOTDEMOLISH applies. Assume good faith and give it time for cleanup, etc. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 02:58, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note WP:DONOTDEMOLISH is an essay, not a guideline. Its application is meant to be taken with a grain of salt but not much more. (This is not meant to be an assertion that what it says is not applicable to this article; I haven't !voted on this topic). freshacconci talk to me  18:59, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
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 * Weak Keep - This is a pretty uncertain situation as information about the case appears murky. However, it seems that her death wasn't just a notable event in and of itself, but there's ongoing significance as to transgender-related issues in Canada. The case has been discussed by multiple reliable sources such as Advocate.com, National Post, et cetera. I'm not sure, but I'm leaning on thinking that the article should be kept, though preferably renamed as "Death of Sumaya Dalmar". CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 21:08, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Since there seems to be enough sources of good caliber, including ones that mention her previous to her death. Even if most the media occurred within a period of a few days, I don't know of any rule that would imply the sources count any less. Rab V (talk) 19:20, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


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