Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sumi Hakim


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 08:17, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Sumi Hakim

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Fails WP:GNG, Indonesian model. Page created by sock, mostly edited by socks. Sourced to passing mentions, dubious notability of being Queen of Vespa Indonesia (the MURI link is broken) and general sockiness. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:39, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Indonesia. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:39, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:31, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:32, 14 October 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:58, 21 October 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Final relist or this will be closed as No consensus. Nice improvements to the article, by the way. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:26, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:G5; or delete for failing WP:SIGCOV. None of the source provide in-depth independent significant coverage of the subject.4meter4 (talk) 20:15, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure yet but might be fixable. Will have a look. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:BASIC. Added sources including this 2008 article in The Jakarta Post covering Sumi Hakim's fashion designs during a charity fashion show, and this June 1974 issue of Vista magazine which includes two pages dedicated to Sumi Hakim (although half of it is interview-driven, it does contain some useful factual information). There are also a couple of other articles with useful sections conferring notability, such as the 2016 Queen of Vespa throwback article on the Liputan6 TV site and the 2022 VOI article memorializing her business partner and friend, Rima Melati. I agree that socks are generally suspicious and often annoying, but after interrogating each of the existing sources, I believe this article was created and edited in good faith, and have fixed several minor issues in the references (e.g. updating dead URLs; one URL was linking to page 1 of a magazine article, but Sumi Hakim wasn't mentioned until page 2, etc.). Have also expanded and fixed some of the English. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:55, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The other thing I found is a large number of hits via Google Books, but I'm happy for someone else to sift through that, and in any case I don't think we need it to establish (basic) notability. Cielquiparle (talk) 12:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Weak keep The Jakarta Post ref seems good, I've translated a few of the other sources, they seem to talk about her. Unsure about RS for Indonesian media, will assume they are. Oaktree b (talk) 12:02, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Enough sources have been provided that satisfy notability. Jakarta Post and Liputan 6 are reliable sources. I can't comment about the Vista magazine source as it is not available today, but from the look of the magazine, I do think it is pretty reliable. Being honored by MURI also confers some notability.  &maltese; SunDawn &maltese;     (contact)   05:45, 29 October 2022 (UTC)


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