Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Summer Knight


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was nomination withdrawn Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  11:19, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Summer Knight

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Does not meet WP:NBOOK, search brings up heaps of fansites, bookseller sites and other unreliable sources. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:56, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn by nominator. See Comment at end below. Coolabahapple (talk) 16:59, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:01, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:03, 11 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. All 15 of Jim Butcher's fantasy novels in The Dresden Files series have their own articles, most with similar sources. The early novels make the New York Times ebook best seller list years after first publication, including this one. This is popular culture, not literature, and there should be reliable fantasy fiction sites for reference. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:06, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, for the same reasons as User:StarryGrandma. 79.44.36.92 (talk) 12:00, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * P.S. The bestselling Dresden Files ebooks are mentioned in here. I'm not sure whether this is an usable source or not. 79.44.36.92 (talk) 12:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep There are a respectable number of reviews for this subject.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. ISFDB shows two reviews in notable genre-related magazines on initial publications, and I believe it also hit the Locus best seller lists at that time. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 15:09, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment.  It's probably a good idea, particularly for TonyTheTiger, to provide a few links. They might be more readily accepted than the one I provided. 79.51.19.245 (talk) 23:49, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment, thanks to all the keepers, just a couple of comments "All 15 of Jim Butcher's fantasy novels in The Dresden Files series have their own articles, most with similar sources." - is a case of WP:WHATABOUTX and doesn't mean an article is notable; just hitting The New York Times Best Seller list is not necessarily notable, see Wikipedia talk:Notability (books); asserting "There are a respectable number of reviews for this subject." without setting out where to find them is not very helpful. That being said, I would like to especially thank The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) for providing the proof of two reviews of this book - in Locus and Vector  so this book does meet criteria one of WP:NBOOK (plus being on the Locus bestseller list albeit for one month ), so I withdraw the nomination... Also, this afd did appear to be getting a bit snowy Coolabahapple (talk) 16:59, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Answer to Coolabahapple.  Reading the WhatAboutX policy, I think I can see what motivated you, but I don't feel it's the case. Not entirely, at least: since Summer Knight is part of the series (its fourth member) it can't be deleted without having a missing page about the Dresden Files, which will be bound to be recreated by anyone who cares enough to do so. I might concede that a page for each book might be too much; I doubt that new content will be added, they're not THAT notable. I'm not sure, but perhaps merging them all in one page? 79.51.19.245 (talk) 20:48, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment There really should be more research done before nominating these books for deletion. This is the second time since I started watching these pages that an AfD request has been made for a book in this series and promptly shot down. Check the main page for the article, just for starters. You can see that in addition to the number of novels on the bestseller list (all of them since the tenth, and a few before), the nomination of books in the series for awards like the Hugos (the most recent book) and notable reviews of the series, there's also a role-playing game and a television series based on them, both of which achieve notability in their own rights. I hate to sound like I'm giving the OP grief, but there's really no room to debate the notability of these books, unless you do so from a position of not knowing anything about the series. I'm sorry if that sounds rude, but it's just the truth. I wish I could help put a moratorium on more AfD's for these books, but I can't. At least I can vent a little, here. Apologies if I hurt anyone's feelings. MjolnirPants   Tell me all about it.  22:06, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment, on the above - WP:NOTINHERITED, although a book series is notable it doesn't automatically mean that all of the books in the series are notable enough for a standalone article; it may be appropriate for some to have a redirect to the series article. Note: I am not saying this is the case with this series ... says coolabah who will be slinking back to child lit articles with tail between legs and will be more careful in the future when looking at sf/fantasy articlesCoolabahapple (talk) 08:54, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * In Coolabahapple's defense, an individual books do not inherit notability from a series because of its popularity and assuming that no sources could be found for this book it could always potentially be made into a redirect to the main series page, as WP:REDIRECTSARECHEAP. There's always room to grow and I'll say in Coolabahapple's defense that they're a newer editor and that other than one or two missteps recently, they're an overall good editor. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  11:18, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


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