Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Summer Tour (Elena Paparizou)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep  (non-admin closure). Cunard (talk) 07:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Summer Tour (Elena Paparizou)

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non-notable tour, little more than a list of dates that isn't likely to grow beyond that, as the tour is over. Rwiggum (Talk /Contrib ) 21:20, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure if it should be kept or not, but it actually is a notable tour for the artist. It is her first tour of Greece in her career, with more than 190,000 people attending (a record for Greece). It's main sponsor was also Alpha Channel who will also televise the concert, which will also be released on DVD later. How is the any different than other tours by major singers who also released on TV and DVD?  The only thing missing is a set-list, which I am sure can be obtained. Greekboy (talk) 00:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Well, in my mind, tours are rarely notable on their own. There are some cases when the tour receives a GREAT deal of coverage and there is substantial content other than just describing the tour, but I don't think that's the case with this article. It just seems like a standard tour. Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 01:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Rather than deleting, I think it could be expanded. The tour was actually very notable in Greece, with a great deal of media coverage.  I can find sources on line from Greek sites about it if needed.  It was also well integrated into the release of her latest studio album. I mean what is so different about this tour compared to ...Baby One More Time Tour or The M+M's Tour, other than it was from a less known artist on a worldwide standard? Greekboy (talk) 02:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Keep. Its sourced and besides being short, I don't see any other reason why it shouldn't be kept. Like Greekboy said, it will soon be shown on TV and followed by a DVD release all of which will be added to the article soon. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 02:12, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment - To answer Greekboy's question, there actually isn't much that separates this tour and the ones you posted in terms of notability, which is why I've nominated those as well. But there is actually some precedence for something like this. For instance, look at Soul2Soul II Tour to see what I mean by a notable tour. That tour had substantial media coverage, and there is a great deal of content within the article. With this, it's not much more than a setlist and a list of dates. If the DVD is released, then the DVD can have it's own page, but at this point I just don't think that there's enough to justify it's own article. It could also be Merged into the artist's page. But as I said, there is precedence with tour articles being deleted. For instance, here, here, and here, just to name a few. Rwiggum (Talk /Contrib ) 03:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What exactly made that tour more notable? Like I said, this article could be expanded substantially.  It got a LOT of media coverage in Greece all summer, as well as being one of the most attended tours in Greece ever.  There is more than enough news sources and details out there to add to the article. Greekboy (talk) 03:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)\
 * Well for one, it was the highest-grossing country music concert of all time. I initially nominated that one for deletion as well, but enough changes were made to convince me to withdraw my nomination. If this article is expanded to a similar degree, I will withdraw this one as well. Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 03:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * And this summer tour was one of (if not the) most attenuated tour around Greece ever. I have to look for sources, but I am a bit busy currently. Greekboy (talk) 22:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Keep. For the reasons stated above. Greekboy (talk) 03:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 13:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Strong keep. Rwiggum's notion that concert tours are inherently unnotable is badly flawed. In many cases, concert tours are artistic endeavours of their own, due to staging, presentation themes, song selection, arrangements, etc. And in many cases, concert tours are seen by more people than buy the same artists' albums or singles, and are more commercially important to the artist. If this was one of the most attending tours in Greece ever, it definitely belongs in Wikipedia. Wasted Time R (talk) 19:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:59, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Simply making an artist a lot of money does not make something notable, nor does complexity of the stage show make it notable. If there isn't substantial, non-trival coverage, then it isn't notable enough. Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 19:48, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * But wait. Didnt you say above that Soul2Soul II Tour was the highest grossing country music tour, which is why you decided to keep it?  Doesnt that contradict what you just stated above? Greekboy (talk) 20:34, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That's one of many reasons, yes. During that deletion discusion, Wasted Time R did an excellent overhaul of a few articles, combining them into one and making an article that I felt met the notability guidelines. Also, if there are sources that actually say that this is the highest-grossing tour in Grecian history, or something to that effect, I will reconsider my nomination. But in my statement, I wasn't addressing my reasons for nominating this article, but rather addressing Wasted Time R's comments that tours should always be kept because they make the artist more money than album sales. Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 22:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * With your point of view, barely any articles would be notable. I would support its inclusion even if it wasn't the highest grossing tour or whatever because it is a tour by a well known notable artist. Would we omit an album page because it was a flop? Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 03:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


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