Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Summer of Sonic (2nd nomination)


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The result was merge to Sonic the Hedgehog. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:24, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Summer of Sonic
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Non-notable convention whose article is very weak, rife with unsourced fancruft and relying on primary/fansite sources. Pretty much the only secondary source I could find that wasn't routine content is this Vice article, which is someone's personal account of the event. Not sure if that would help; even if it did, the article still wouldn't likely stay. The best option for the article would be a merge with Sonic the Hedgehog. ❤︎PrincessPandaWiki (talk | contribs) 21:01, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  ❤︎PrincessPandaWiki  (talk | contribs) 21:01, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
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 * Comment from nominator: Did a wider source search. A BBC article with a significant coverage of the event. I found several mentions in video game articles, such as this, but I don't think they count. Found through Guinness World Records list that the convention has won two records for first and longest-running fan convention for video game character, which may not count given lack of reliable coverage. Not sure if the BBC article would save the article. ❤︎PrincessPandaWiki  (talk | contribs) 21:05, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - I also have a mention from VG247 here, which calls Summer of Sonic "the well-established UK equivalent" to San Diego Comic-Con, which I think is a bit over the top, but VG247 is considered reliable per WP:VG/S. I wonder if any UK-based editors might have access to print sources about the topic.   Red Phoenix  talk  23:09, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Also covered by Retro Gamer here. VG247 has more articles here and here. Here's another article in Polygon, and  one from VideoGamer.  At the moment, I remain neutral on whether to keep or merge, but there's significant coverage to warrant a mention in the encyclopedia somewhere.   Red Phoenix  talk  23:17, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Those look quite WP:ROUTINE, to be honest, but I do agree those make Summer of Sonic worth mentioning on Wikipedia. ❤︎PrincessPandaWiki  (talk | contribs) 01:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly the idea. Routine coverage alone does not establish notability, but many occurrences in reliable sources and in concert with notability-conferring articles help in fleshing out a subject and making that ultimate determination.  Whether or not it's article-worthy yet, I have yet to decide, but it's enough I think the subject could be covered somewhere.   Red Phoenix  talk  03:25, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I wonder if there's a possibility of a larger "Sonic fandom" article, of which this would fit in and thus make for a better article overall. --M asem (t) 21:20, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * If such an article were to exist, that would be an acceptable merger in my eyes.  As the prime editor over the Sonic the Hedgehog article, has there been enough sources in your research, do you think, to justify an article about Sonic fandom?  Red Phoenix  talk  21:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , it's not even a question. The amount of coverage the Sonic fandom has received is staggering. JOE BRO  64  22:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge to Sonic the Hedgehog — more specifically, maybe one or two sentences using the Vice and BBC articles establishing it's a popular convention in the UK, started by a fan community (I don't think we need to namecheck Sonic Stadium as that community), and supported by Sega. Leave the redirect as being valid.  A Sonic fandom article would be possible, but that would be a project - maybe one Joebro or I or WP:SEGA would take on down the road, but likely not right away.  So, a short merge for now, and then potential expansion if and when a Sonic fandom article arrives.   Red Phoenix  talk  14:25, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:27, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge in agreement with the above source analysis (not watching, please )  czar  04:17, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per Red Phoenix. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:42, 20 July 2020 (UTC)


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