Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Summerisle (The Wicker Man)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sam Walton (talk) 16:42, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Summerisle (The Wicker Man)

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This is a fictional location that appears in a single film. There are no independent reliable sources indicating that this location is the subject of significant discussion. Any relevant material could be included in the article about the movie (or in other articles, since half the content is about other fictional locations that are not this one). Note: This fictional location should not be confused with the real Summer Isles, which are of course notable. RL0919 (talk) 21:49, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - or possibly redirect to the film page. Anyway, not a notable subject for a standalone article. Blythwood (talk) 20:15, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 21:25, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 21:25, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Redirect to film page. Aoba47 (talk) 19:27, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Antepenultimate's comment. Aoba47 (talk) 14:08, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete, no evidence that this fictional location is significant outside the film. I don't see much of a point keeping this full title as a redirect. It's an unlikely search term as-is and existing incoming links should be shortened to simply Summerisle (where the article likely should have been anyway), which could be created to redirect to The Wicker Man. Summersisle already exists as a redirect (to the page under discussion here) and should be pointed to The Wicker Man (2006 film) if this page is deleted. Antepenultimate (talk) 13:09, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect. Merge any content if needed.  Avoid redlink bait to recreate the article again, preserves history if ever needed.  Montanabw (talk) 20:34, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nordic   Nightfury  07:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cavarrone 08:18, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's possible to say things in an article about this topic.  There are several books written solely about The Wicker Man, and Google Books has one, Inside the Wicker Man: How Not to Make a Cult Classic, available in a preview.  That book has a few tantalizing tidbits, as seen in this search.  Many of the hits are about "Lord Summerisle" or "Summerisle Films", but there are a few that look to be about the location.  The ones I was able to read are generally descriptions of the shooting locations, such as this one.  There's a little bit about the beliefs of the Summerisle villagers, such as this sentence or two, but it's not really enough to go on for an entire article.  There's also a bit in this book about how modern neo-pagans have adopted some of the Summerisle rituals and beliefs as their own.  However, I think all these things could easily be discussed in the 1973 film's article.  I think it's possible that an article on this topic could demonstrate notability, but I haven't been convinced yet.  So, if someone wants to recreate this article, I say let them – as long as they can find better sources than I found. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:32, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment and a ping to as this is mainly in regards to their concerns on not leaving a redirect. I think your concerns about outright deletion leaving tantalizing redlinks is valid, I'm a little less concerned about maintaining the history for an article such as this, but if I may propose a somewhat non-standard way forward that would let us keep a (properly named) redirect, and the history, and avoid leaving redlinks:
 * 1) Move this page to Summerisle, which is where it should have been all along.
 * 2) Update incoming links. I quickly counted 15 article links, no idea how many of those are just transclusions through The Wicker Man (am I the only one who can't get the "Hide transclusions" link to work?)
 * 3) Delete Summerisle (The Wicker Man) (assuming we aren't visited by a deluge of keep arguments with sources showing notability)
 * 4) Redirect Summerisle to The Wicker Man (1973 film)
 * Anyway, I have no idea if such a method is valid as an AFD resolution; I'd move the page now but that seems highly innappropriate in the midst of discussion here. Also note I'd be happy to do the legwork on this (except the deletion part, alas). And a final note for the closer: Please feel free to disregard this comment if you feel it muddies any sort of consensus that could be gleaned from the above, I don't want to hold up the process with my nutty schemes. Antepenultimate (talk) 00:31, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Of course, now I realize that such move-swapping could easily be done after a redirect was created via this process. Amazing how I tend to realize these things just as I'm pressing "Save Changes"... Antepenultimate (talk) 00:37, 7 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.