Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sun of Fatimah


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:15, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Sun of Fatimah

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Delete as non-encyclopedic. This article stub appears to be more a statement of faith (type unknown) than anything else. The article has been here five years since October 2007. It has no references, and in its current state without additional context, none can responsibly be added. I do believe in respecting other religions, whether the group of believers is one or many; however, a religious belief has to be notable to have an article in the Wikipedia. This one is not. Deleting or retaining an article should have nothing to do with the merits of a doctrine. However, an editor of an article about a religious belief has to be very careful to keep the text objective. This article fails in that regard. It does not have a neutral point of view. And that would be an edit issue and not really a viable argument for deletion, except that the lack of context and lack of any citation to reliable independent sources, or any sources at all, makes correcting the POV of the article extremely difficult, and in my belief impossible. I think that the best course at this time is to delete this article. If the originator wishes to come back with something more closely approaching an NPOV article with at least a couple of citations, they may do so. --Bejnar (talk) 06:33, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete or Improve. It seems to be a fringe theory that the Our Lady of Fátima apparitions which are said to involve the Blessed Virgin Mary (Roman Catholic) are somehow related to Fatimah, the daughter of Muhammad, simply because the names are tangentially related. There may be more to it than I could find in a brief Google search, but without more references and a more clear article, it should go. Thank you. SchreiberBike (talk) 06:43, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:03, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 13:24, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fringe religious nonsense.  The article as it stands is barely more than an A1 speedy candidate, but the author "helpfully" has added information about his pet theory all over the place.  As SchreiberBike surmised, this is the claim that the Miracle of the Sun at Fátima, Portugal was a manifestation of Fatimah, daughter of Muhammad, because of the similarity of the names involved.  No serious religious scholar has ever contemplated this theory.  No reliable source even gives it a passing mention.  Nor is there any valid etymological basis for this claim.  Although the Portuguese city does derive from the Arabic name, it is named for a Moorish princess and not for the daughter of the Islamic prophet. Indeed (based on the identical username), you can see the wordpress blog of the original author and the nature of this material here. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 13:57, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Nothing to show notability. First Light (talk) 20:05, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.