Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sunanda Pushkar (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Unclear why this was relisted again. The few "delete" opinions do not address the sources cited later in the discussion.  Sandstein  07:23, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Sunanda Pushkar
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This non-notable person is just wife of a famous politician. Doesn't have own identity. --Adamstraw99 (talk) 10:47, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. -- →gab  24 dot  grab← 16:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. According to WP:BIO Max Viwe &#124;  Your Turn  20:55, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Which part of the entire notability guideline page WP:BIO does this above !vote pertain to? Referring to an entire page of guidelines doesn't state anything of significance. It's like stating that an article should be removed from the encyclopedia because of anything on the guideline page. Actually, this topic easily passes WP:BASIC. Northamerica1000(talk) 08:58, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Or can be merged with his famous husband's article--Adamstraw99 (talk) 04:47, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Your "delete" recommendation as the nominator has already been taken into account. Also, you mean "her" famous husband. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:59, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Is an equity stake owner in a major professional sports team in India, was already notable for the scandal that ensued when her now-husband tried to bring the cricket team to Kerala.Pectoretalk 15:34, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  Salih  ( talk ) 15:57, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 02:31, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment -She is NOT "equity holder" of any IPL team. the "kochi team" was dissolved long back. her only identity is "wife of a famous person/politician" which violets the guidelines for having a separate article (that is also 1-2 statements in length).--Adamstraw99 (talk) 16:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: Over the past three weeks, the nominator seems to have removed every single referenced statement from the article. I would strongly recommend that anyone participating in this AfD looks at this version of the article rather than the current one. While I rather doubt that the information there could be regarded as making her independently notable, it seems to be reliably sourced and should be considered here.  PWilkinson (talk) 10:39, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment statements like "she hails from kashmir" and is a real life rebel" are personal details and were written just to expand the article with unnecessary/ unwarranted details. This article was started on the basis of her association with shashi tharoor and subsequent kochi controversy. Was nominated and deleted few times in past but created and written / expanded by same editors here. The article is complete in her present form about her. Wikipedia is not a diary about people containing their trivial details that "She is a Kashmiri or this is her third marriage and all...There are approximately 20 million businesswomen here in Mumbai so should everyone create their article detailing they are from "sangli" "satara" etc. and had affair/ marriage 2-3 times followed by the names of their kids in wiki articles? Are Wikipedia biographical article here to fullfill that objective?--Adamstraw99 (talk) 09:56, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:43, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisting comment. If you want to get an article deleted you have to do more then just bold the word "delete". You actually have to make an argument. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:46, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - There may not be a particular thing we can say she "should" be notable for but if you look at the Google News and Google Books searches she does fulfill WP:BASIC, she "has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." There appear to be more than a hundred Google News hits alone on a variety of topics, not just mentioning her as someone's wife.  She is as notable as Todd Palin, she just isn't American or male. --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 04:20, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep, because the person has received significant coverage in reliable sources; hence the topic passes WP:GNG:
 * Who is Sunanda Pushkar, the lady in Tharoor’s life? MSN News.
 * Sunanda continues to hold 19% stake in Rendezvous. The Times of India
 * Shashi Tharoor weds Sunanda Pushkar in Kerala - Times Of India The Times of India
 * — Northamerica1000(talk) 08:28, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sunanda continues to hold 19% stake in Rendezvous. The Times of India
 * Shashi Tharoor weds Sunanda Pushkar in Kerala - Times Of India The Times of India
 * — Northamerica1000(talk) 08:28, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * — Northamerica1000(talk) 08:28, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment statements like "she hails from kashmir" and is a real life rebel" are personal details and were written just to expand the article with unnecessary/ unwarranted details. This article was started on the basis of her association with shashi tharoor and subsequent kochi controversy. Was nominated and deleted few times in past but created and written / expanded by same editors here. The article is complete in her present form about her. Wikipedia is not a diary about people containing their trivial details that "She is a Kashmiri or this is her third marriage and all...There are approximately 20 million businesswomen here in Mumbai so should everyone create their article detailing they are from "sangli" "satara" etc. and had affair/ marriage 2-3 times followed by the names of their kids in wiki articles? Are Wikipedia biographical article here to  fullfill that objective?--Adamstraw99 (talk) 09:56, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Those aren't the sort of statements one finds in a diary; that's the sort of information found in an encyclopedic biographical article. --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 16:16, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep and severely trout nominator The article used to look like this until the nominator came along and reduced the article to this in a series of edits that had no edit summaries. This was an entirely bad faith move on the nominator's part that was meant to influence the outcome of this AfD and they should be severely trouted if not taken to ANI for such surreptitious actions. The subject is clearly notable from the sources listed above. Silver  seren C 22:44, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Not so fast. It's happened before that somebody comes to a BLP, finds that the sources all suck, removes the sources and the content they refer to per WP:BLP but then finds that there is nothing left to base an article on so nominates it for deletion. However, I do agree that Adamstraw99 has "got some splainin to do". Adamstraw99, at first glance, the sources in the version shown by Silver seren didn't look that bad. Why did you remove them and gut the article, why didn't you use edit summaries and why didn't you say that you did this and why in your nomination statement? --Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:21, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge with Shashi Tharoor, as it seems that the coverage she received is in reason of her marriage with him. At the same time blame the nominator for his conduct. I've checked the sources and I find them accurate and supporting in their text the contents which reference them. If even he was convinced about a complete non-notability of the subject nothing authorized him on deleting all the text and the references without not even a note in the talk page. Cavarrone (talk) 14:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * As the sources show above, she's received significant coverage separate from Tharoor and has become a celebrity on her own accord. Suddenly Sunanda by itself shows this. Silver  seren C 20:08, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep As per Silver Seren and added ref for her receiving sweat equity from Kochi Tuskers Kerala.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:24, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting rationale: Even when WP:ATA arguments are discounted, there's still no consensus to delete the article.
 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, → B  music  ian  03:18, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


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