Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sunda Empire


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The result was delete. BD2412 T 19:13, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Sunda Empire

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I proposed the deletion of this article for the reasons of being a one-off Facebook meme that has no lasting notability.

The fictitious entity "Sunda Empire" is not a real historical kingdom nor a contemporary political movement with substantial societal followings and impact. This is shown from the excerpt from an article on the group by the Jakarta Post: "The ridiculous, if amusing, claims of the self-appointed Grand Prime Minister of the Sunda Empire-Earth Empire in Bandung, West Java, and the King of the Keraton Agung Sejagat (world empire) in Purworejo, Central Java, have led them to becoming laughing stocks over the past few weeks."

The quote shows that the entity does not seem to be a serious movement and more of a "meme" that has been consumed by the public on social media for an entertainment purpose.

Its "online meme" nature is also attested by the following quotes by another article.

"The emergence of the so-called Sunda Empire-Earth Empire in West Java's provincial capital of Bandung, which the group claimed as the home city of the world's diplomatic corps, has caused a sensation online."

"The Sunda Empire came into spotlight shortly after social media was rocked by the emergence of 'Keraton Agung Sejagat' or “World Empire”, an apparently fictitious kingdom based in Purworejo regency, Central Java, which claimed itself to be the successor of the ancient Majapahit Empire."

The leader of the movement has been arrested shortly after the sensation and there has been no real development toward an actual creation of a legitimate political entity.

As such, there will be no content of the article besides their fringe claims based on no historical groundings, and the arrest of the leaders. A WP:WEBNOTE tag was placed since January and after several attempts by different authors to demonstrate the notability of the entity, it still does not exceed the length of a stub article.

For these reasons, I believe this article does not meet WP:GNG and needs to be deleted. JahlilMA (talk) 20:30, 28 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:32, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:32, 28 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. The coverage is in Indonesian, but the titles suggest this meme may be notable, on the other hand the coverage seems to be from a short period of few days suggesting WP:NOTNEWS. But the article is confusing and may even be WP:TNTable. The lead mentions claims not supported by the body, and the article doesn't make it clear what is the topic. Is it a meme? An NGO? A hoax? It's a mess, that what it is. Ping me if better sources are found and this mess is rewritten to make it clear what the article is about. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:17, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I considered nominating this myself. It is some sort of joke/fantasy world that does not seem to have gained enduring attention. Mccapra (talk) 04:03, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Facebook fantasy does not have notability. --Whiteguru (talk) 10:22, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.