Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sunjiatun Concentration Camp


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete - fails RS. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Sunjiatun Concentration Camp
See also Minzu hospital, Masanjia reducation through labor

Poorly written and researched article that does not link to any existing pages, and the only link to such claims is very vaguely stated as "The Epoch Times". The claims lack verificaion to confirm it as a "concentration camp", as no major media besides the Epoch Times has reported the story. --PCPP 10:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - 4 non-wiki ghits, thus unverifiable. MER-C 11:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - I think the article means Sujiatun not Sunjiatun. Google returns a lot more results outside of Wikipedia (about 32,000) when you search for that spelling. Perhaps the article should be renamed? --Howrealisreal 15:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Move/Rename as per Howrealisreal's comment above. Lankiveil 01:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC).
 * Merge —  I believe that the Epoch Times is operated by the Falun Gong, and thus this camp is not reported elsewhere (the Epoch Times is considered by some to be Falun Gong propaganda). I suggest merge into the Falun Gong article. –-  kungming·  2  | (Talk ·Contact) 00:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Falun Gong and live organ harvesting. It is verifiable that there is controversy about this subject.  So are the official positions of the Chinese goverment and of Falun Gong.  The existence of the camp appears not to be verifiable from independent sources, so an article fails the policy WP:V.  The best independent reliable source I've found on the subject is this Australian news article.  There has also been coverage in the Washington Post and press release denials from at least one Chinese embassy.  Other reliable coverage shows concern about organ harvesting in general in China, but usually not in contexts related to Falun Gong (and none I've seen in context of this camp.)  GRBerry 18:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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 * Delete, unverifiable. Redirect and merge it if sources are found. --Ter e nce Ong (C 08:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge into Falun Gong only if there is some verification.SkierRMH 09:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Terence Ong. The Epoch Times may or may not be operated by Falun Gong, but what it definitely is not is a reliable source.  Even the better stories are entirely one-sided, and it's not unusual to see an article that runs along the lines of "All the legitimate scientific authorities say that X does not exist.  But I read a webpage by some guy who says it does.  Why are all the legitimate scientific authorities lying about the existence of X?"  Merely appearing in The Epoch Times, I'm afraid, adds absolutely nothing whatsoever to the credibility of an allegation -- certainly nothing that would justify the highly POV title of "Sunjiatun Concentration Camp". -- Antaeus Feldspar 20:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
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