Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Supergrub


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Not a hoax, but one evaluation of the sourcing was rebutted, BlueRoll18 keep doesn't go into more detail with the sourcing, and commentators agree though this might meet WP:MUSIC, it fails GNG. Secret account 02:21, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Supergrub

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This article full of Original Research created by a brand-new user whose only previous edits were adding a false category to many well-known bands' pages. Seems clearly promotional and not notable. JesseRafe (talk) 16:12, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete Survived WP:SD, but no source was added. Search reveals none exists. Fails basic notability. Alfy32 (talk) 16:57, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Failure to add sources is not a reason to speedy delete an article. Lack of notability is not a reason to speedy delete an article.  It survived speedy deletion becuase it makes a credible claim to significance, namely that there are 2 notable members of the the band, see WP:Band #6.  GB fan 00:42, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS PEANUTBUTTER &#9734;&#9733; 00:32, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
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Comment Supergrub might be an elaborate prank or hoax. There is no mention of the band on Chuck Treece's page. And there is a mention on the Ben Kenney page, but I haven't tracked how long it's been there, only recently been linked. On BK's page it says he formed the band with CT, as does it on the Supergrub page. However, CT's involvement on BK's page is uncited. And on the Supergrub page there is one source - MTV, which is copy-and-pasted or mirrored from... wikipedia (MTV "source"). This is also of note in that this page was created as a first edit by a brand "new" editor, who also went on to add nonexistent categories with Kenney's name prominent in them to well-known bands' pages. Sounds pretty clear that someone is toying with Wikipedia, likely to benefit Ben Kenney unduly. As there are NOT two notable members of the band (that are verifiable), it no longer passes WP:Band. strong delete JesseRafe (talk) 03:04, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Comment by creator of page Hello, this seems to be one big misunderstanding. Let me make it clear that I'm purely a Ben Kenney fan, no way associated with him at all. This is no hoax or anything remotely like that. I'm just a new user trying to learn and get used to wikipedia. I just found it frustrating that it's incredibly hard to find information about the band, so I gathered what data I could to try and clear things up. Also, Ben tweeted his about.me page here: tweet to about.me and on it, it has a short description saying he was in Supergrub. So then it becomes a matter if you want to call Ben a lair claiming Treece was in the group on the old Supergrub site. Sorry if I went about editing the page the wrong way, I'm just trying to learn the ropes around here. I have more sources I've read in the past giving more information about the band, but I can't seem to find them atm. I'll add them when I do.Redonkulousemu (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:27, 25 January 2013 (UTC) 
 * 1) *First things first, if you doubt Chuck Treece's involvement in Supergrub, in the official Mcrad release "50/50 Split" there is a song called "Sunday" which is exactly the same song as one of the tracks on the Supergrub release "Norma & Thurselle" and if you listen to that song and the album, it's very obvious it's Treece singing those songs. Unfortunately, I don't have anything more credible than fan forums, song videos on youtube, or the CD itself. Can provide tons of links to forums, including the official Ghetto Crush forum (which is Ben's label). I think because he was in the band only briefly for one album, it's hard to find much information on the internet.
 * 2) *Those doubting Ben was in Supergrub, if you listen to the albums off itunes, "Challenger" in particular, it's very very obvious it's Ben's voice (plus the fact that Ben's label Ghetto Crush is the one who put it up on itunes), but for a more subjective reason, there was a recent tweet he did Ben's tweet where he hash tags (though slightly misspelled) #Supergub
 * Twitter is not a reliable source, and that probably would be defined as original research. Wikipedia operates on a basis of verifiablity, not truth, and a Tweet saying "I was in band X" isn't verifiable for establishing notability. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 02:52, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

 
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:21, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Delete per jesserafe logic. Greglocock (talk) 01:20, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't think the band is a WP:HOAX. iTunes is still selling their last album they released back in 2000. Incidentally, it was also released by Kenny's record company Ghetto Crush Industries.. It should also meet WP:BAND. "Chuck Treece's Supergrub" makes a passing mention in this Philly.com article. Even if you were to take Treece out of the equation, Kenny fulfills point 6 by being a member of both Incubus and The Roots. The article would need a substantial writeup though, with additional sourcing. Funny  Pika! 00:25, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment So I found an interview with Ben Kenney where he talks about being in Supergrub. Doesn't mention too much about the history of the band besides how it was frustrating how the band didn't seem to get anywhere commercially. He also talks about the album Challenger and why the songs are titled the way they are. He starts talking about it at 3:25. Hopefully this dispels the hoax accusations.Redonkulousemu 07:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep: the band exists, it doesn't violate WP:BIO, and it has a reliable set of references. With a bit of cleanup, it could pass as an encyclopedia article. BlueRoll18 03:59, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don't see how any of the criteria for WP:BAND are met. Given there was almost not enough coverage to decide whether this was a hoax or not simply underlines the lack of independent coverage, and notability is not inherited WP:NOTINHERIT --nonsense  ferret  15:14, 16 February 2013 (UTC)


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