Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Superman: Requiem


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:20, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Superman: Requiem

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Delete as, at this point, a non-notable fan film that has yet to begin production. There also may be a concern since this appeared whole cloth in one edit along with a bio of the "producer" that was speedied as a copyvio. J Greb (talk) 23:05, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment- Suggest admin comparison to recently deleted version of Articles for deletion/Superman (film project) this discussion. Dru of Id (talk) 23:26, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Err... not deleted. It was "kept" per the AFD, and subsequently there was merging and retitling of the article. But no... not deleted.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 21:02, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops... Boy is my keyboard red. Dru of Id (talk) 22:58, 27 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Conditional Keep - I don't care how much this movie seems to want to promote itself on Indie sites, it lacks any real independent sources and has a budget of $10k, all fan-raising on an indie film site. However...it may take off, and in which case, it will probably get smacked around for copyright violation pretty quickly, especially if they somehow successfully market it well enough that it gets independent coverage. Either way I'm pretty against it but I feel it should be given enough time to flop on it own before being deleted. Crtrue —Preceding undated comment added 11:15, 27 April 2011 (UTC).
 * There's a big issue with that though: That assumes there will be more coverage aside from the self promotion. And that it will then be notable. It fails that right now, and we shouldn't plug in the crystal ball and say it "might". Deletion at this point would ve without prejudice - the article could be resurrected if the film is later notable. - J Greb (talk) 21:25, 27 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:46, 27 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - The project commences filming in just a few weeks. As for promotion on indie sites, there has been very little self promotion, as all marketing has been limited to three press releases and two interviews - all other promotion is public interest. As for copyright violation, the project has been discussed at length with Warner Bros. and they are happy with it. I am able to supply documentation if required.Supesfan (talk) 21:15, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * And that begs a question: Are you directly involved in the fan film? If so this becomes a major case of conflict of interest, at best, or using Wikipedia to in part promote the film, at worst. - J Greb (talk) 21:25, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I am involved, and with respect we really don't need Wikipedia to promote it - promotion and public interest is high without needing Wikipedia. If this is the case by all means delete it until it becomes more notable after release. ThanksSupesfan (talk) 21:40, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You may not need it, but by creating the articles as you have - and placing the unsourced information in other articles - it looks like you are trying to use Wikipedia for your own benefit. I really suggest you read WP:COI with regards to this and your other edits. - J Greb (talk) 00:31, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - I think this page is extremely helpful. I have been following this project from the start and have always eagerly awaited new information about casting etc. It has my full support, I think the whole team of people involved should very proud. There are a lot of Superman fans out there who seem to only have negative things to say about anything related to Superman and still have the guts to call themselves fans. Surely if you're a fan you should support anything to do with the subject you're a fan of, not just beat down other peoples efforts to keep things alive. I say keep this page. For real fans of Superman it creates a great database of people to whom they will show their respect to, not beat down because they couldn't do any better.SuperLean (talk) 22:29, 27 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete- Film is totally non notable at the moment, and even full studio pics (except the biggest) can't fully justify an article prior to production starting (WP:CRYSTALBALL). If it gets some real press coverage, maybe worth a try then. Hope it goes well anyway, I'd like to see it before DC/Warner get wind of it!  Benny Digital  Speak Your Brains 08:23, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - I would love to know how a fan film could be notable before release (actually before filming, since it doesn't even claim to start filming until May or June), yet some of our high profile REAL films are not. Somehow, someone thinks this page is of the same notability as The Dark Knight Rises? Half of the sources are not even considered reliable for any other page, yet they are being used here? Indiegogo appears to be a blog for the people making the film. I don't think self-published works establishes notability. MaxwellReyes.com is another fansite promoting a fan film. I cannot even find an 'About Us' section to determine what, if any, editorial oversight this page has. ComicBookMovie - this page even says it was submitted by a volunteer. I would wager that the "volunteer" is actually someone from the fan film's production. I could go through all of the other sources on there, but it's clear that they are not reliable. This page needs to be deleted, and only if there is actual real coverage of the completed product in a significant capacity (see WP:NOTE) should it even be considered for existence.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:59, 29 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - Agree with BigNole. And this is just another case of someone making a film, then trying to use one of the largest websites to promote it. Everyone that is associated with the film have red links here. — Mike   Allen   04:17, 29 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - Agreed that this Wikipedia article is premature. Despite the previous keep discussion at Articles for deletion/Superman (film project), I don't believe there is significant coverage in independent reliable sources -- a necessary criteria for avoiding No Future Films. The article should wait until it can be based on actual independent sources rather than PR and fan-driven information. — Cactus Writer (talk) 21:39, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - For those wondering how a fan-film could be notable before its release, the answer is that it would be notable the same way everything else generally is, and this is with significant coverage in reliable sources. In this case, there aren't any so it isn't notable. -- Whpq (talk) 15:59, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Whpq put it best, I have nothing more to add.   coccyx bloccyx  (toccyx)  20:57, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.