Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Surajananda


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Keep --Jaranda(watz sup) 18:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Surajananda
The article describes this person as a not very famous Indian composer. It has been marked with the music-importance tag since April, but there has been no follow-up from its creator. Surajananda gets a few google hits (not all from Wikipedia mirrors), but he doesn't strike me as notable enough for an article. Canderson7


 * Comment He has an annual festival in his name and seems to be a very important figure in Tamil culture and a leading proponent of Carnatic music. I'm not sure how far this makes him notable, so I'll abstain as I know nothing about either areas. Keresaspa 14:25, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. If he has a festival named after him, he's notable (assuming he doesn't run the festival from his living room). Perodicticus 15:37, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think there may be two Surajanandas. There is a Guru Surajananda (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Surajananda+-wikipedia), who is by the looks of it a notable figure in Carnatic music, with at least one music award named in his honour, but Googling for that plus the listed works yields nothing except Wikipedia and mirrors . I believe there are two, and this is not the famous one. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] :: AfD? 21:25, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

*Delete &#8766; Not notable. Even the author of the article in question admits as much. → Ξxtreme Unction { yak yak yak ł blah blah blah } 20:04, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. If he's notable enough, someone will recreate the article and perhaps put more work into it. --Syrthiss 15:49, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as above and stop afd spam. BTW, deleting an article on the assumption that someone else will recreate it in better form is a horrific idea. Trollderella 16:42, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, what I was implying was he doesnt meet notabilty requirements IMO (ergo Delete)... and this article either gets no traffic from people who do indeed know the notability of the subject, or lots of traffic from people who know nothing about the subject. So, if the artist is notable and we delete it someone will go "wtf?!??!??" create a new article and hopefully do a better job establishing the notability. If we delete it and indeed he wasn't notable, it remains deleted and all is well with the encyclopedia containing articles on verifyably notable people. I did a google search.  At most I can find that there is a music festival dedicated to Guru Sarajananda as noted, and several articles about a person who received an award named after him...but I am not finding anything that actually describes the award even when searching for 'Guru Sarajananda Award'.  So I am claiming that the article meets none of the notability requirements for a musical artist.  Its not for me to state why he's notable. --Syrthiss 18:18, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment IMO, not deleting an article on the assumption that someone else will come along and improve it for no reason whatsoever is even more horrific. --Last Malthusian 20:55, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless seriously cleanedup/rewritten. Right now the article is substantially made up of words that are meaningless to just about anyone. -R. fiend 17:29, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Very unenthusiastic keep. It reads like it makes more sense now, but it still says almost nothing. Needs expansion like nobody's business, but then again we have worse substubs out there. -R. fiend 04:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Except that significant portion of the world's population that lives in or maintains contact with India. Maybe those terms should be added to Wikipedia. - Dalbury (talk) 19:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Or explained within the article. But right now "Gangadiswaram in Sindhu Bhairavi and Muruganin Marupayer in Behag" sounds like patent nonsense, though I don't suppose it is. If this guy warrants inclusion, the article should be concisely written and make it clear why he deserves one. The point's been stated that there's some festival named after him. Great. Why doesn't the article say that? AfD discussins should not include more information than the article itself. Maybe I'll go drop a note to Capitalistroadster; he knows something about bringing articles up to standard. -R. fiend 19:18, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No claim to notability. —Cleared as filed. 18:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Changing vote to Keep as per JZG below. →  Ξxtreme Unction { yak yak yak ł blah blah blah } 22:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. Blimey, that was like pulling teeth!  There is, it seems, only one Surajananda but there are sufficient mis-spellings (and flexibilities in transliteration) as to make it nearly impossible for an anglophone to track down the references.  I believe there is enough evidence he is a signficiant - possiobly even eminent - figure in Carnatic music to justify his inclusion, especially giving regard to systemic bias, but I have tagged it for expert attention (and will moe it to Guru Surajananda which is the name by which he is apparently usually known). I removed the songs as they cause (IMO) more confusion than anything; I lack the knowledge to make this more than a stub. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] :: AfD? 21:46, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment. Here is some evidence that he composed atleast one of the songs mentioned in the original page. Tintin 21:51, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment: As it sits now, it's a substub that should be speedy deleted. I know there are no timers, but I really hope someone (zis Guy, maybe) will put the CSD tag on it in a month, if no expert has come along to buff it up?  No one wants to cut coverage, but, at present, there really isn't any coverage gained by what we have. Geogre 22:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I endorse that. Hopefully an expert will be forthcoming (though experts in Carnatic music in the English namespace may be hard to find!) - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] (W) AfD? 12:41, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. Notable enough. Matt Yeager 23:01, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per User:Just zis Guy, you know?. - Dalbury (talk) 23:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep He also authored a book. Ejrrjs | What? 01:29, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I haven't heard of him, but a prize named after him (checked the news item from The Hindu) makes him notable. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:09, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak delete after some deliberation. This sort of an orphaned article has almost no chance of getting expanded. Tintin 00:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.