Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Susan McCray


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 00:20, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Susan McCray

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Unreferenced BLP about a non-notable individual. Appears to be an autobiography, as it was created by User:Susan McCray. Fails WP:BIO, WP:GNG, and WP:RESUME. Snotty Wong  spill the beans 23:27, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:AUTO and lack of reliable sources. The article is also a WP:BLP problem, even though created by the subject, since little-watched biographies of non-notable individuals are highly vulnerable to malicious editing. Peter Karlsen (talk) 02:10, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per Bearian. Peter Karlsen (talk) 01:20, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
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 * Speedy Delete. Self-promoting autobiographical spam. -- Rrburke (talk) 21:02, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * As a diligent search finds sources, your concern becomes about an issue addressable through regular editing.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment The problem is that in the case of autobiographies of marginally notable people, such regular editing rarely goes on to take place. Typically no one besides the creator has any interest in the topic: so, having survived AfD, the article languishes unedited, the spam survives intact and yet another self-promoter gets to use Wikipedia as their vanity press.  The solution is to shoot autobiographies on sight, and the rationale is simple: autobiographies are inherently promotional because, irrespective of their content, their purpose is to enhance the public profile of the subject.  As such, they ought to be speedied G11 before they are allowed to grow legs.  If some uninvolved third party then wishes to recreate the article from scratch, more power to them.  At least that would demonstrate that one other person besides the subject actually thinks the person merits a Wikipedia article -- which, as tests of noteworthiness go, is a pretty low bar. -- Rrburke (talk) 20:30, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Now  Weak keep - she appears to have been some kind of "assistant to the producer" of some TV shows, including Bonanza, and I found some reliable sources about her, see Google news and Brazilian Retro TV. I am not sure if that is enough. Bearian (talk) 21:14, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * "Assistant to the producer", a.k.a. "The producer's secretary"?   Snotty Wong   gab 21:19, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No, not a "secretary". A producer's assistant is an individual who acts as liason betwen producer(s) and production staff... and is often a step immediately below being considered an associate producer.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Additional online research shows she was a casting director as well. She's looking more notable. Bearian (talk) 18:17, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Bearian's newspaper link proves she is notable. The media covers everything she did, and gives her credit for helping make hit shows with one other guy.  And if we can confirm she had a hit song, that makes her notable as well.   D r e a m Focus  06:18, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * She sang under the name "Susan Sands", and her song Say A Prayer for Michael was a Billboard (magazine) "Best Pick".  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 06:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * keep per bearian Aisha9152 (talk) 16:09, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - per above comments.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
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 * Keep per Bearian's WP:AFTER and his lack of pre/mis conceptions which thus allowed an unprejudiced search for available sources. And as most of her work was done under her maiden name "Susan Sukman" as well as some under the name "Susan Sands", I have offered several more adequate Find sources above... which offer additional available sources to add to Bearian's finds.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: The article under discussion here has been flagged for rescue by the Article Rescue Squadron.    Snotty Wong   yak 14:38, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per Dream Focus. -- Alpha Quadrant   talk    22:27, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.