Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Susan of Mar, Mistress of Mar


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The result was delete. Consensus that subject is not notable in her own right Nosebagbear (talk) 10:21, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Susan of Mar, Mistress of Mar

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We've had this article for 17 years but I now struggle to see why. The subject appears to be entirely obscure; there are only 27 Google results for "Susan of Mar" and most seem to be genealogy websites. Indeed, all the references in the article are to genealogy websites. Wikipedia, however, is not a genealogy website per its own policy. Surtsicna (talk) 09:30, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete Other than being of noble birth, she's an interior designer, not notable as one either. Oaktree b (talk) 15:45, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not supposed to be a genealogical website. I have my doubts that we actually are not, but we are trying to move away from being one by removing articles like this that do not fit in an encyclopedia. The article has been around for 17 years because in 2005 we have far too few quality controls and we have been trying to overcome the flood of low quality articles we got then ever since.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:23, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not Burke's Peerage. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:51, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Royalty and nobility-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 14:32, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is a slight item of interest here in that she appears to have attended a state school (though going by that school's entry she would have started at the girls' grammar school which preceded it).  This is also the case with Charlotte Long who probably is notable for reasons separate from her parentage, who remained in state education even after her area went comprehensive.  But that is not in itself enough; her mother is notable not least for having remained in the Lords post-1999, but notability is not inherited.  People of her class do not get the automatic level of mass media coverage they got before the two World Wars; I know the Daily Mail cannot be used as a source, but it now publishes celebrity gossip where even in my childhood, obviously well after those two wars, it had Nigel Dempster writing about people like this (as I say, it wouldn't make her notable if the Mail had not followed the redtop route in terms of who it covers, but it is a sign of broader change).  She has lived a pretty unremarkable life and there is no evidence that she is Wiki-notable.  RobinCarmody (talk) 00:13, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - I would agree that she is only here because of who her mother is and it is well established that for Wikipedia purposes notability is not inherited. If she were to go on to sit in the House of Lords in the future, or achieve notability in some other way then she would merit an article, but as it stands I can see nothing to suggest that at present she has anything like the required notability. Dunarc (talk) 21:53, 20 March 2022 (UTC)


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