Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Susanna Maiolo


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus, default to keep. Jayjg (talk) 01:53, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Susanna Maiolo

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Typical case of WP:BLP1E, this article fails WP:BIO. Summary of the incident is already at Pope Benedict XVI. --Zvn (talk) 07:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:BLP1E. Violation of WP:BLP. Algébrico (talk) 14:27, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Not a BLP1E case, since there was coverage of a similar, unsuccessful assault by the same person last year. This would be a NOTNEWS deletion if the article goes, but given worldwide TV broadcasts, extensive news coverage, possible significant consequences in terms of possible changes in papal security, etc, the subject satisfies the GNG, and the name is an extremely plausible search term.  Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 16:26, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - effectively a BLP1E. That page advises us to write an article on the event instead of the person, but in this case I don't think the event is deserving of a Wikipedia article either; this seems to me a case of WP:NOTNEWS, with little or no lasting notability. Robofish (talk) 16:41, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete because I think Robofish is basically right. It's not technically a BLP1E, but similar arguments could be raised for almost any BLP1E; and nobody took notice of her last year, or even (afaik) identified her as Susanna Maiolo in the news. -- Soap Talk/Contributions 19:21, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. She did the same thing last year.  And I'd like to be able to come to her page here if/when more info becomes available in order to learn, for instance, if she was trying to attack the pope, or just obsessed, instead of having to hunt for it wherever.  After all that's the kind of thing that wikipedia is good for.Adrigon (talk) 23:11, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The information you'd be looking for is at Pope Benedict XVI; while not technically a BLP1E because these were two similar incidents one year apart, I do believe the article violates the spirit of BLP1E - an article on an individual who is otherwise low profile and has no notability separate from these two incidents. --Zvn (talk) 07:58, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - I think its important to take into account the thousands of news articles, rather than just the meager references already cited. I think it is ultimately impractical to put this in the article about Benedict XVI himself; it merits only a sentence there now, and may not even justify that over time; however, there are plenty of citable facts. Her prior history of assault on the pontiff, and other things of that nature mentioned by Zvi, I think justify a biography. For those reasons I don't think BLP1E applies. Savidan 15:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep It will be a great service to someone in twenty or thirty years’ time who is editing someone’s journals or letters and wants to track down a reference to this momentarily notable person. By then the event is very likely to have been lost from the article on the (former) pontiff—because at that point it will very likely be seen as not an important part of his biography. Ian Spackman (talk) 12:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete Attacking someone famous does not make one notable. Yes, the attack is notable, but the attacker is not.  IShadowed  ✰  21:35, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, an obvious WP:BLP1E failing. Ironholds (talk) 21:36, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - She twice attempted to attack the pope, to the point where she was arrested by the Vatican Gendarmes (again, twice). That's pretty notable. How many people get to attack a head of state twice? Like it or not, attacking a famous person can make one notable. If that were not true, why do we have articles on Lynette Fromme, Mehmet Ali Ağca, John Hinckley, Jr., and Margaret Mary Ray, amongst a vast list of others. This article will only grow and become more useful as the investigation of these attacks continues. Gentgeen (talk) 05:14, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Sufficient world wide coverage to be considered an historic pair of events.    DGG ( talk ) 18:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per BLP1E, a news article not worthy of any serious encyclopedia. RMHED (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as the event is more important. 'Susanna Maiolo' should be a re-direct to the related section within the Pope Benedict XVI article. GoodDay (talk) 23:15, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Redirect to the pope's page. While it's true that she went after him twice, the first incident wasn't really covered, to my knowledge, which would make WP:BLP1E a valid criticism in my opinion.  I'd have the title redirect to the pope's page, in a section of the attack, perhaps.  However, who knows, more information/coverage might be forthcoming.  As the BLP1E page says, if the coverage ends up being persistent (I am unconvinced it will) then she would merit an article.  Perhaps it's premature at this point, however.   Cocytus   [»talk«]  20:03, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep for Gentgeen's etc. arguments. Renaming and adjustment to the separate article about the event is also acceptable. Full embodiment into the Pope Benedict XVI article is an imprudent idea. Removing of whichever verifiable information from the article is also undesirable. --ŠJů (talk) 23:30, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.