Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Susheela Jayapal


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Daniel (talk) 22:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Susheela Jayapal

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Delete. Candidates do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates per se — the notability test at WP:NPOL is holding a notable office, not just running for one. The office held is a local office and while some local officeholders can meet notability for a variety of reasons, including time in office (e.g. Robert L. Butler or Hilmar Moore) or being a local officeholder who qualifies under some other criteria (e.g. Rita Crundwell, Betty Loren-Maltese for crime). Notability is not inherited from Pramila Jayapal or Maya Jayapal. Possible redirect to 2024 United States House of Representatives elections in Oregon. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  03:59, 9 November 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:30, 16 November 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Final relist as this is looking like a No consensus closure. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Mpen320 (talk) 23:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Mpen320 (talk) 23:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletion discussions. Mpen320 (talk) 23:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. Mpen320 (talk) 23:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC) Mpen320 (talk) 23:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: I think this article could meet WP:NPOL's local politician criteria (lots of articles about her, the first Indian American elected to a county office in the state). I think I'm a soft keep here. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 01:26, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose Jayapal's announcement has received multiple dedicated articles by national outlets in less than 24 hours, in addition to extensive local coverage . Prior to this she has been routinely covered by reliable local outlets for multiple years. In my opinion the bar for general notability has already been met, and there will certainly be more national coverage of this race. She is also the first and only Indian American ever elected in Oregon which is significant given the state's demographics. Jamedeus (talk) 01:40, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Reply. The extensive coverage you cite is run of the mill announcement coverage in part due to her relationship to her sister. As mentioned in my nomination, notability is not inherited. Additionally, we should not necessarily create a Wikipedia article about the same 109 newspaper articles. GNG requires significant coverage of the subject which the national articles do not provide. Additionally, local coverage (which again is a run of the mill campaign announcement) does not lend itself to GNG or NPOL. Your mention of "in less than 24 hours" also proves my point. It is too soon to know if her candidacy will actually matter to the historic record (see Christine O'Donnell or Lar Daly). While in some circumstances a "first" can cause one to meet GNG or NPOL, first Indian American in a particular US state is a very narrow first even if that US state does not have a large Indian-American population. I'm not saying she is not accomplished. I'm saying she does not meet GNG or NPOL at this time. Also, you may want to edit your "Strong Oppose" to "Strong Keep," to reflect you wish for the article to be kept and avoid confusion.--Mpen320 (talk) 19:57, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I think there is sufficient coverage of her election and service on the Multnomah County Commission to meet GNG. --Enos733 (talk) 16:54, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * To clarify, I agree with Bearcat (below) about the standard we should evaluate local county commissioners and political candidates. I just think there is sufficient sourcing to draft an article about her policies and votes on the Commission that would merit a stand-alone article. There are articles about her election outside of Oregon, in the Seattle Times and the India Post. There are multiple articles about her work on the Commission, largely in Willamette Week. All of this is prior to her announcement for Congress, where coverage has increased. - Enos733 (talk) 18:51, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Every candidate in every election everywhere can always show some evidence of campaign coverage — so if campaign coverage were in and of itself sufficient to exempt a candidate from WP:NPOL, then every candidate would always get that exemption and NPOL itself would be unenforceable and meaningless. So no, candidates don't get to be in Wikipedia just because run of the mill campaign coverage exists — candidates get articles only if either (a) they already have some other prior claim of preexisting notability that would already have gotten them a Wikipedia article anyway (which county commission is not), or (b) they can make some credible claim that their candidacy is somehow a special case of such uniquely greater notability than everybody else's candidacies that even if they lose their candidacy itself would still pass the ten year test for enduring significance anyway (which hasn't been shown to be on the table here at all.) Bearcat (talk) 17:10, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I believe that the subject in the article is notable enough to warrant an article and meets Wikipedia's standards of notability. Jayapal is a current office holder for a major US government (Multnomah County, which has a population of over 800,000). If she does not meet the notabilty guidelines, then we should delete the articles for all of Portland's city commissioners, who represent a smaller level of government with a smaller population. Jayapal has been featured in several news articles from outside of the immediate area for her work unrelated to her candidacy. PortlandSaint (talk) 03:49, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Reply. She is technically not the incumbent. As far as "then we should delete the articles for all of Portland's city commissioners," you are more than welcome to do propose this. The existence of other articles of a similar nature is not grounds to keep this article.--Mpen320 (talk) 20:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete I agree that the sources are just routine coverage of a politician being elected. As said before, OTHERSTUFFEXISTS makes PortlandSaint's argument irrelevant.
 * Industrial Insect (talk) 19:43, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Weak keep A lot of this coverage is run of the mill, but I think there is just barely enough here to warrant keeping. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:NPOL, and most of the coverage she has received seems to be ROTM. Let&#39;srun (talk) 04:09, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.