Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suzanna von Nathusius


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. J04n(talk page) 23:02, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Suzanna von Nathusius

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Completing an ill-formed AfD nomination of this article for TotalUseless, who tried to nominate this for deletion, and spake thusly:

She is not a notable child actor. --TotalUseless (talk) 15:41, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

No opinion myself, though I would note that sources, if they exist, probably aren't in English. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 16:56, 7 March 2013 (UTC) Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 16:56, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Biography-related deletion discussions. 16:58, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 16:58, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


 * keep, notable as of WP:ENT - nine years acting in one of the most popular Polish daily soaps (starred in ar. 300 episodes), named roles in tv-series and cinema movie, regular talk show participiant at major Polish tv stations. --Wistula (talk) 18:49, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep as meeting WP:ENT through body of works notable in and to Poland. Notable to Poland and sourcable in Polish, even if not in English or to rest of the world, is perfectly fine with en.Wikipedia. See WP:NONENG, WP:Systemic bias, and WP:WikiProject Countering systemic bias.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 21:33, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


 * neutral Beeing a polish actor she is only mentioned in polish wikipedia without an article for herself. See pl:Klan_%28serial_telewizyjny%29] in the section Odtwórcy ról dziecięcych which means Childactors. Since all the real actors of the series have their own articles on the polish wiki, I am a bit doubtful the notability on the english wikipedia. -- Neozoon  22:04, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Well... to be fair to them, they are a smaller Wikipedia and do not have the editing manpower nor sheer body of articles as do we here at en.Wikipeida. 900 thousand articles there and over 4.2 million here. 9 million registered users there and over 18 million editors here.  And besides, we do not judge notability or article style here based upon what others do or don't do elsewhere by other standards. Point being, that even if no one at a smaller Wikipedia has yet written about her, that lack does not mean that she should not or can not be written of here... where we may judge her by the body of her work.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:42, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The article was deleted in the Polish wikipedia, because the majority of the contribuator in the discussion of the Articles for deletion at the polish wikikpedia denied the relevance of her as you can see here:
 * pl:Suzanna von Nathusius
 * pl:Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/Załatwione_biografie_(sierpień_2010)
 * No description of her character Małgosia Borecka in the series Klan is available.
 * If her role is so important why it is not possible to tell something about her influence on the action in the series?
 * The other roles she played were also minor roles.
 * Delete . --TotalUseless (talk) 01:25, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * With respects, I struck your second "delete" as it is inherent in your bringing this to AFD in the first place. Also, please understand that en.Wikipeidia does not base its decisions upon decisions made two years ago in a foreign language Wikipedia about a different article about this person, apparently deleted there by count of votes and not through an evaluation using the applicable policies and guidelines in use HERE.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 04:04, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Only pros and cons have to be taken into consideration as this is no vote. --TotalUseless (talk) 02:53, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * We gauge per applicable policies and guidelines, yes... but as nominator, your repeating your deletion reasons preceded by a big bold "delete" as if it were a new !vote is unnecessary.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 09:28, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. I won't pretend to read any of the sources, but I assume in good faith that she has indeed appeared in 300 episodes of a major, long running Polish soap opera. If this is the case, she has significant roles in multiple notable ... television shows; playing a major character in a long running series counts as such, I think.  Note that I brought this to AfD because I saw TotalUseless's deletion message stuck to the bottom of Articles for deletion/Live2Support, so I removed it and restarted it here. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 05:04, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no source that she played in 300 epsodes of Klan.
 * The article only states that she played in 150 up to her 5th anniversary in the show.
 * Let her ″go to Hollywood, make a lot of money and save the dolphins.″
 * http://www.swiatseriali.pl/seriale/klan-380/news-ze-szkoly-na-plan,nId,280581Online --TotalUseless (talk) 02:53, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * That strikes me as a fact issue: still, playing a regular character in a series that lasts five years meets our notability guideline for actors. And she's a big enough deal that your entertainment journalists are circulating her cute but silly quotes; she's a child star of that much consequence at least. This meets the inclusion rules for the English Wikipedia. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 03:52, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable actress. NickCochrane (talk) 03:11, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
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