Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Swami Avdheshanand Giri


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 21:53, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Swami Avdheshanand Giri

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There seem to be no WP:RS to support WP:GNG for the subject. Several sources are not in English and hence cannot verify those. A quick look at the English sources make a mention which is not sufficient. Vikram Vincent 13:28, 11 March 2021 (UTC)


 * English sources evaluation table:
 * {| class="wikitable"

! Source !! Evaluation
 * Yog Festival to see star-studded line-up International festival to see star...
 * Just states the subject name once along with others
 * Hindi page one || Cannot verify content of remaining non-English sources and hence not suited as ref for enwiki
 * VIF|| Primary source. We need WP:RS
 * Sri Avdheshanand Giri Maharaj gets champions of Change Award 2019|| Neither is The source is not reliable. nor Is the award noteworthy?
 * http://www.siesedu.net/awards/eminence_awards.php|| primary source. Not relevant to establish N.
 * Vision of Self|| book written by subject. NACADEMIC?
 * RSS chief arrives in Haridwar on 2-day visit
 * see WP:TOI for reliability of TOI especially if Notability is to be established
 * The famous akhadas at Kumbh mela|| Mentions subject as head of an akhada. Focus is on akhadas
 * Swami Avdheshananda Giri, Hindu of the year|| I dont think this satisfies WP:RS
 * Amarnath board reconstituted|| A board member does not have inherent notability
 * 42-day Shri Amarnathji Yatra to begin on 23rd June|| mentions subject as being present
 * Centre weighs a dozen names..|| mentions subject as a list of probables
 * Israeli leaders meet with leaders of Eastern faith traditions|| a short paragraph by subject
 * THE INAUGURAL RESPONSIBLE LEADERS SUMMIT ||Primary source
 * NSA Doval meets Hindu, Muslim religious leaders || Paper mentions that NSA met the subject
 * }
 * Swami Avdheshananda Giri, Hindu of the year|| I dont think this satisfies WP:RS
 * Amarnath board reconstituted|| A board member does not have inherent notability
 * 42-day Shri Amarnathji Yatra to begin on 23rd June|| mentions subject as being present
 * Centre weighs a dozen names..|| mentions subject as a list of probables
 * Israeli leaders meet with leaders of Eastern faith traditions|| a short paragraph by subject
 * THE INAUGURAL RESPONSIBLE LEADERS SUMMIT ||Primary source
 * NSA Doval meets Hindu, Muslim religious leaders || Paper mentions that NSA met the subject
 * }
 * Israeli leaders meet with leaders of Eastern faith traditions|| a short paragraph by subject
 * THE INAUGURAL RESPONSIBLE LEADERS SUMMIT ||Primary source
 * NSA Doval meets Hindu, Muslim religious leaders || Paper mentions that NSA met the subject
 * }
 * NSA Doval meets Hindu, Muslim religious leaders || Paper mentions that NSA met the subject
 * }
 * }


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Spirituality-related deletion discussions. Vikram Vincent 13:28, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Vikram Vincent 13:28, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hinduism-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:58, 11 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment User:Vincentvikram is randomly nominating articles without any solid statement. I noticed, he provided almost same reason (Notability and non Reliable Sources) for all articles nominated for deletion. It seems like his edits are not constructive on Wikipedia.  D My Son  17:43, 11 March 202subject.
 * is the creator of the above page. As of this moment, 14/35 of the references are in Hindi, which any non-Hindi literate cannot use to verify notability of the subject on enwiki. If there are specific points regarding notability of the subject or of the reliability of sources then that can be used to build consensus to keep the article, no? Vikram Vincent 17:51, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The simplest option here is to improve the article and replace the sources and I will definitely withdraw the AFD nomination. Vikram Vincent 04:47, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: None of the keep votes have given a credible argument to keep. Assertion and finger pointing turn out not to be policy based arguments - go figure. The source analysis is compelling but would like to give the keep side a chance to discuss the non english sourcing
 * Keep There are plenty of reliable sources mentioned in the article and online also. Multiple interviews by leading news channels can be seen . It looks like editing can improve the quality of the page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pranhita (talk • contribs) 18:06, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * YouTube links are not RS. Vikram Vincent 16:51, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure they are when the content is from notable organisations such as Doordarshan and Aaj Tak. Do Read [] Pranhita (talk) 17:02, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Let us assume for argument sake that the videos are RS, what claim do you want to support using those videos, ?
 * Comment: is one of the active participants in deletion discussions and had made some great jobs by weeding out non notable thrash outta the encyclopedia (I didnt mean this article is a thrash). He had also rescued some articles from getting deleted. So, dont accuse someone blindly just because you dont agree with them. Regards Kichu🐘 Discuss 18:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: Notable. Has reliable sources with his name appearing in title. Can remove lines written with non-reliable sources. -AppuduPappudu (talk) 18:53, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Can you point which of the English sources are reliable and why. Thanks, Vikram Vincent 17:35, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: article looks quite good and the allegations of not having reliable source, donot holds water.Heba Aisha (talk) 05:38, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I have created an analysis of the English sources present on the subject page. Please have a look and share which are reliable and why. Thanks,Vikram Vincent 17:34, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Have you yourself researched about the Champions_of_Change_(award) award before terming it as not noteworthy. Also, for the SIES Eminence award do see . Also as per the WP:TOI concern, it is generally considered unreliable due to its bias in favour of government of India. However, the Government is not the concern here And because for WP:MREL Context Matters WP:CONTEXTMATTERS . The Subject is Juna Akhada Chief and hosted a show Pravachan Sarita on Sanskar TV, Written Various Books, Being Awarded Multiple Times and was also in controversy . Seeing the above table commentaries it can be said that all the articles lack WP:RS . As far as the meet article goes, they can be removed since such a person have regular notable visitors, but its not being noteworthy.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pranhita (talk • contribs) 19:33, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did look at the recipients of the award and note that all of them belong to a particular political orientation. If giving awards to oneself makes the award notable then so be it :-) PS: WP:TOI ranges from WP:MREL to WP:GUNREL quoting,The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. It tends to have a bias in favor of the Indian government. Vikram Vincent 03:55, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I dont have an idea about the Hindi sources. So I am not voting. But the English sources are definetly not giving significant independent coverage as per . Regards.Kichu🐘 Discuss 04:36, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 16:14, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Random sampling of Hindi sources based on Google translate
 * {| class="wikitable"

! Source !! Evaluation
 * "राम मंदिर के मॉडल को लेकर VHP खफा, उपाध्यक्ष चंपत राय बोले- नए डिजाइन पर बना तो लगेंगे 25 साल"
 * Subject is mentioned once in passing
 * "आज स्वामी अवधेशानंद बताएंगे जीवन संवारने के मंत्र"
 * Says the subject will give the mantra to improve life
 * "विज्ञान और प्रौद्योगिकी के क्षेत्र में महिलाएं आगे आएं: राष्ट्रपति रामनाथ कोविंद".
 * States that the subject performed the ritual
 * }
 * The three sources taken from ref nos 4, 14 and 32 turned out to be passing mentions of the subject which do not satisfy WP:SIGCOV either individually or collectively. If anyone can examine other sources which might satisfy WP:THREE... Vikram Vincent 14:38, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * States that the subject performed the ritual
 * }
 * The three sources taken from ref nos 4, 14 and 32 turned out to be passing mentions of the subject which do not satisfy WP:SIGCOV either individually or collectively. If anyone can examine other sources which might satisfy WP:THREE... Vikram Vincent 14:38, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 *  Delete: As per the latest findings by . And Champions_of_Change_(award) cannot be considered noteworthy. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 14:52, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


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