Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Swing Swindlers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:50, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Swing Swindlers

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Fails to meet WP:NOTABLE, more specifically does not meet any criteria of WP:BAND. Citations given in article are either band's own website, links to commercial sites selling albums, or passing references in news items which do not support the band's notability; many of the 'citations' do not mention 'Swing Swindlers' at all, although some of them do mention Mart Sander who is said in the article to be the group's founder and conductor. This article was flagged by me for speedy deletion, but swiftly reverted with the addition of a number of specious citations of this sort by User:Martsander - who has also previously contributed extensively to the article. As Mart Sander is (apparently) the founder and conductor of the group, if he and the reverter User:Martsander are one and the same, there is also an issue of WP:CONFLICT. User:Martsander's contributions to Wikipedia indeed seem to consist mainly of edits to this article and to the article Mart Sander. Smerus (talk) 09:42, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Further 'citations' added by User:Martsander following my AfD referral are equally invalid. They include this link to a music agency representing the band, and this link to a music sales site which gives no support to the very unlikely claim that the record was made Jazz Album of the week by the Evening Standard and "earned positive reviews globally". Another 'citation', which is said to be review of the band's album, is no such thing, but is an article about Robert Farnon on what is apparently a junk website of odds and ends. Basically it appears that User:Martsander is just using WP for WP:PROMO and this is another reason for deletion.--Smerus (talk) 19:54, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 10:43, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Estonia-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 10:43, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 21:32, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - lack of significant coverage. PhilKnight (talk) 22:12, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per Smerus‘s comprehensive analysis. My own searches failed to find significant coverage in independent, reliable sources to meet the general notability guideline. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:24, 20 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.