Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sword of the Spirit Ministries (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. I see a consensus to Keep this article despite it's sketchy origins as the creation of an LTA. That fact was barely touched on in this discussion which focused more on sources and notability. Liz Read! Talk! 22:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Sword of the Spirit Ministries
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I deleted this article per G5, because it was almost entirely written by two socks of, a prolific LTA with no regard for our content or sourcing policies, who regularly creates batches of socks to spam Wikipedia with bad articles about Nigerian religious people and groups. An editor reached out to be on my talk page to point out that it had survived an AfD discussion, which I had overlooked when I originally deleted it. That original discussion was tainted by contributions from two more of Eribe's socks, so I think the best thing to do is bring it here and thrash it out again.

Based on the original discussion, it does look like the subject might be notable; I haven't examined the sources mentioned in the discussion, but if they do offer substantial coverage of the subject then it is clear that an article could be written about it. The article as it stands, however, is primarily based on primary and affiliated sources; it has issues with the prose as well, and generally needs a going over by a competent editor to bring it into line with our standards. I think the best thing to do would be delete this article per a mix of WP:G5 and WP:TNT, and allow another editor in good standing to write a new article from scratch using proper sourcing. The second choice would be to strip out all the unreliable sourcing and reduce it to a stub that is supported by whatever reliable sourcing was mentioned in the AfD and can be accessed.

Pinging non-blocked contributors to the original AfD, and the closing admin as a courtesy:, , , ,  and. Girth Summit  (blether) 09:33, 17 August 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Christianity and Nigeria.  Girth Summit  (blether)  09:33, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm still not seeing notability, beyond confirmation they exist as a religious group. Sourcing seems to be confirmation of existence only. Oaktree b (talk) 14:13, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep or Draftify Since there are currently two reputable sources in the article (being Tribune Online and The Guardian Nigeria), I might be able to find other sources in books, newspapers, etc. But, at the very least it would end up being a stub. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:13, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * While those sources are reliable, neither looks to provide WP:SIGCOV to me: they're both passing mentions. The book source is a little better (a few sentences about the activities of the org), but we would need additional in-depth sources to meet WP:GNG. Please let us know if you can find other WP:SIGCOV! Suriname0 (talk) 15:18, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep -- This is clearly a notable church. There are tons of sources on GScholar. I added three that had PDFs linked to so far, and will add more soon. Central and Adams (talk) 00:56, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Would you be willing to go through the article and remove any content that cannot be supported by the quality sources that you find? Girth Summit  (blether)  08:41, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You can tell which edits I'm willing to make by looking at the edits I make. If you see something you don't like about the article edit it yourself. Central and Adams (talk) 14:59, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for updating the article! Do you mind identifying 1-2 sources beyond the Brouwer book that you think consitute WP:SIGCOV that you think I should look at? When I looked at Google Scholar hits during the previous AFD, most seemed like passing or incidental mentions. Suriname0 (talk) 22:09, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Weak Delete - I looked through the sources again, and they continue to all look like passing mentions to me. I think Francis Wale Oke looks a little closer to notability. Please ping me if sources are identified with more than 1 or 2 sentences of coverage. Suriname0 (talk) 19:12, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Vote updated to delete; no sources with WP:SIGCOV were identified in this discussion. Suriname0 (talk) 16:48, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:12, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep The fact that this denomination is mentioned in books by R. Hackett, R. Marshall and S. Brouwer, which are authoritative on Nigerian Pentecostalism, make very clear for me that this topic meets notability criteria. I have also noticed a few paragraphs on this denomination in a book by T. Falola (probably the most prominent Nigerian academic on Nigeria history at the moment) that I'm going to try to get access to and add as a reference. --DonCamillo (talk) 10:00, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, none of those mentions are WP:SIGCOV, right? The mention in the Falola book you added is literally a passing mention in a footnote. Suriname0 (talk) 16:47, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep: This isn't exactly a WP:HEY in terms of improvement but this subject appears to both exist and be sizable enough to be considered notable given what has been added. With some consideration for systemic bias, smaller Nigerian religious groups should not be expected to enjoy the same SIGCOV indexing that many minor denoms in the US have. Creation by an LTA does raise questions but the issues resultant from their disruption seem resolved. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:54, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: I think the sources currently in the article meet GNG.  // Timothy :: talk  15:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @TimothyBlue which sources specifically do you think contain WP:SIGCOV, or are you perhaps arguing that the topic meets WP:GNG without one or more sources containing WP:SIGCOV? Thanks for clarifying! Suriname0 (talk) 16:53, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.