Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Swords (suit)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was ‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__Keep. Nomination withdrawn. Eluchil404 (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Swords (suit)

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The articles Cups (suit), Coins (suit), Batons (suit), Swords (suit) were created in 2019, duplicating longstanding content at Suit of cups, Suit of coins, Suit of wands, and Suit of swords, respectively. They should be merged if they have anything new. Dicklyon (talk) 06:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Dicklyon (talk) 06:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This copied-and-pasted rationale is visibly faulty. Swords (suit) is visibly not a duplicate of Suit of swords.  Swords (suit) is (it says) about playing cards and Suit of swords is (it says) about Tarot cards. Uncle G (talk) 09:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * A) AFD really isn't "articles for discussion" and shouldn't be used for a merge proposal. B) per Uncle G they do appear different.  C) I don't see a good reason why these 4 weren't done as a bundle--I find it unlikely that the arguments at each will be different.  Would you mind closing these four and giving us one bundled proposal (or take it to the talk pages). Hobit (talk) 01:07, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep but do not merge. These are two distinct topics. Although occultists based their suits on those of the Italian pattern of playing cards, they broke away over 200 years ago to produce their own packs purely for cartomantic purposes. So Swords (suit) is specifically about the playing cards, whereas suit of swords is purely about cartomantic cards. They have different designs and uses with almost no crossover. The same is true of cups and goblets, batons and wands, coins and pentacles, etc. We have been slowly untangling the mess caused by combining them, but there is more to do. I agree the naming needs sorting out because the suit is called "swords" by both card players and occultists. So we could make it clear by calling them e.g. Foo (playing card suit) and Foo (cartomantic suit). In the other 3 cases, there are different names that can be used to distinguish them. HTH. Bermicourt (talk) 17:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


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