Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syesha Mercado


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy close Per WP:SNOW and WP:IAR, though the article is notable. Non-admin closure. ApprenticeFan talk  contribs 04:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Syesha Mercado

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Delete. After Articles for deletion/Alexis Grace (2nd nomination) saw a “delete” outcome, I feel that the time has come to determine which of the American Idol contestants truly deserve their own articles. WP:NOTINHERITED tells us that just because somebody appeared on American Idol, it doesn’t make them notable and worthy of an article. This fails WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO. They’ve done nothing worthy of note since they appeared on American Idol. DJ 11:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Still making the news (eg ). Mercado was a third-place finisher, while Alexis Grace never got beyond the audition stage. Zagalejo^^^ 19:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:BIO states that they need multiple, reliable sources. And the fact that she finished third is irrelevant - it doesn't make her any more or less notable than if she came second, eleventh, fifth.... DJ 19:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * She had plenty of coverage while she was on the show, and shortly after she was eliminated: . It does matter that she finished in third, because she was in the public eye longer than the other contestants. Zagalejo^^^ 19:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The majority of the results you've just shown me are about her and her capacity within American Idol. All reality TV contestants recieve news coverage, even those who stay on the programme for just a few days (see Kenneth Tong - ). We need to use WP:COMMONSENSE in order to find the notable needles in this haystack that is American Idol on Wikipedia. Being in the "public eye" does not equal notability either, otherwise we'd have articles for every other Tom, Dick and Harry. DJ 19:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Still, she received a lot of attention for being on American Idol - at least tenfold what Kenneth Tong has received. Isn't that good enough? "Every other Tom, Dick and Harry" doesn't get the coverage she had. (By the way, I struck my comment about Alexis Grace. I didn't look closely at that link, and assumed the discussion was about Alexis Cohen.) Zagalejo^^^ 21:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep, I'm not comfortable deleting an article on someone who has 1,590 Google News hits. I'm sure some of the other contestants haven't got this level of coverage. Abductive (talk) 20:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:GOOGLEHITS aren't acceptable to detirmine notability. DJ 21:04, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's true, but the Google News results clearly show that she has been the primary subject of multiple news reports. Zagalejo^^^ 21:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Read my earlier paragraph. That doesn't automatically equal notability. DJ 21:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What argument are referring to? NOTINHERITED? If so, I don't think that's relevant, since many of the articles spoke primarily about her, not American Idol in general. Zagalejo^^^ 21:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No. The big paragraph in the middle. DJ 21:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you say you reviewed all those hits and that none of them rise above the trivial? Abductive (talk) 21:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * From WP:GOOGLEHITS: "Note further that searches using...Google News are more likely to return reliable sources that can be useful in improving articles than the default Google web search." Jujutacular talkcontribs 21:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

This sort of mass nomination is unproductive because it leads to people voting based on "I like it"/"I don't like it" since no one can reasonably be expected to properly research 38 articles of the same nature in a week. (Indeed this has already begun to happen.) Since the results of these AfDs are likely to be influenced by voting rather than a proper discussion, they should all be closed with no prejudice against reopening a few at a time after a good faith attempt to determine notability has been made. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:41, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy close as a (unintentionally) disruptive nomination. The nominator rapid fire nominated 38 American Idol contestants all with the same (invalid) rationale that Alexis Grace (who finished 11th and hasn't had a chance to do anything post Idol yet) was deleted.  It is quite clear that he/she made no attempt to research any of the nominations as several quite clearly meet multiple inclusion criteria.  Some of these articles should be kept, and others merged, but none should be deleted.  All arguably meet WP:MUSIC #9: "Has won or placed in a major music competition" by virtue of making the finals of American Idol and the less notable ones should at least be merged with their respective American Idol season X pages.
 * Speedy close per ThaddeusB. Jeni  ( talk ) 00:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy close per WikiProject Idol series; the Alexis Grace deletion was improper per that guideline, and this one is even more so. --RBBrittain (talk) 01:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy close per ThaddeusB. Crafty (talk) 02:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy close per RBBrittain. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando (talk) 02:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy close. Just a bit ridiculous. She finished 3rd and it's barely been a year since she was on the show. Editor's note: This is why the deletion of Grace's article was simply a bad idea. It was going to spawn spurious nominations such as this. --User:Woohookitty Diamming fool! 04:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. The reasoning behind the nomination is flawed. I'm the one who added most of the newspaper coverage and other reliable sources to this article from a LexisNexis search. Many of these newspaper articles were just about her, thus adding to her notability. J Readings (talk) 06:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think a speedy anything is in the offing. Abductive (talk) 06:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy close per ThaddeusB. Holiday56 (talk) 12:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Third place on AI seems to be enough to pass WP:MUSIC.  young  american  (wtf?) 14:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
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