Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Nomination withdrawn, as the nom is now in favor of keeping the article. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 08:07, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu

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Subject doesn't appear to meet criteria for WP:NKICK. Non-notable YouTuber WP:NYOUTUBE/WP:ENT. There is not any significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. References are from the subject’s personal blog, Instagram or subject’s YouTube, which does not pass WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lethweimaster (talk • contribs) 08:00, 31 May 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 08:11, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Martial arts,  and Colorado.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:13, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment through a quick search on Google Books, I managed to find her mentioned numerous times in these books, . There are also 3 hits on Google Scholar. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 09:21, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Passing mentions such as what you cited: "Kevin later married martial artist Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu" are not sufficient to warrant notability as per WP:GNG, which requires significant coverage in reliable and independent sources. A book does not constitute one, as anyone can write a book and publish it. Lethweimaster (talk) 09:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * KEEP & IMPROVE., removing primary, social..etc Not a lot but some significant RS coverage such as American public radio program The World here and the BBC here where she is described “one of the best fighters in the martial art, surpassing 200 fights; something no other western fighter has achieved in Thailand.”According to Channel NewsAsia she holds "the most recorded number of fights by a foreigner in the country" and again being notable for “having competed the most of any westerner in Thailand”. More important according to the International Federation of Muaythai Associations she was ranked #5 in the Bantamweight division, since the IFMA is Muaythai governing body this definitely counts as world top-10.  Lewolka (talk) 12:39, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Kindly make these improvements, I will circle back and consider changing my vote if the improvements meet WP:GNG. Please avoid references from the subject’s personal blog, Instagram or YouTube. Also IFMA International Federation of Muaythai Associations is an amateur federation which does not work towards demonstrating notability as per WP:NKICK: an amateur background exclusively are not notable unless the person has been the subject examined in detail (more than a single paragraph) in several reliable third-party sources (at least four). The subject only has one reference that is considered reliable (BBC), but if you actually check the reference, it does not help to indicate the importance or significance of the subject, because having a lot of fights or being WBC Muay Thai Champion doesn't meet criteria for WP:NKICK. Lethweimaster (talk) 14:58, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Lethweimaster, re improvement I would suggest adding a primary sources or self-published template and pinging editors involved in that article, from what I can see:, , , . Lewolka (talk) 16:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Lethweimaster Please do not edit your own comments after someone has already responded, as it can deprive replies of their original context. Please see WP:REDACT for guidelines. Thanks. Lewolka (talk) 06:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep (and improve) agree with the previous commenters, she appears to just barely pass GNG here. - Scarpy (talk) 00:45, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * KEEP The article has been re-written and cleaned up. She’s the current minimumweight WBC Muay Thai world champion, consistently ranked in the top 5 of her division by the WBC since March 2021. WBC Muay Thai is under the World Boxing Council, one of the four major organisations that govern professional boxing and listed as notable under WP:KICKGUIDE. She is currently ranked No. 1 in the 2023 miniflyweight World Muay thai Organization (WMO) Ranking, WMO is one of the leading sanctioning bodies in Muay Thai, having crowned multiple high level champions like Satanmuanglek CP Freshmart, Petchmahachon Jitmuangnon or Thaksinlek Kiatniwat. Lewolka (talk) 09:59, 8 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep This article has been noticeably improved since it was nominated for deletion. Her achievements and the sourcing have convinced me to support keeping this article. Papaursa (talk) 00:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Delete Keep I have changed my decision about the article, noting the multiple improvements and clean up of the promotion material and vanity content on the page. Lethweimaster (talk) 16:45, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Need improvement but good enough to stay as well person is notable enough and additional source has been added.DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 16:45, 9 June 2023 (UTC) 21:54, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


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