Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Symington's


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The result was delete. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:34, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Symington's

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It's an old company with presumably some interesting history, but all I see are media mentions in passing, no in-depth treatment anywhere. Occasional qualifications as a 'major UK food company' etc. are not sufficient, I am afraid - a major XYZ company in FOO country is marketing speech. Can anyone find any indication of notability, and serious sources about its importance and hence, notability? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:04, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NCORP. The author of the article has provided three references on the talk page, rather than in the article. However the first comprises four paragraphs in the Daily Mirror announcing a new factory, the second is a trivial mention saying that they were too busy to provide a spokesperson on the subject of food labelling, and the third is five paragraphs talking about the business moving its production of noodles back to the UK. These are standard corporate news type articles rather than providing any in depth coverage on the subject. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:05, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep more sources exist; several notable brands. Peter James (talk) 21:14, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That response is a Classic! Nevertheless, any examples? -- HighKing ++ 12:20, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Please cite those sources, don't just assert their existence. Don't be shy, no need to hide them. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:55, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- the article currently makes no claim of notability; A7 material at the moment & no value to the project. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:02, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  So Why  18:21, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Reluctant delete It does seem that a company that has survived for 190 years (since 1827) should have some notable history. So far all that I have found are mentions in passing and old advertisements. Currently fails WP:CORP.  No bar to recreation if suitable sources are found. --Bejnar (talk) 19:33, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I wrote to the company asking if they could provide any third party sources. They replied simply, "The history or Symington's can be found at http://symingtons.com/about-us/ "  In reading their history, it seems that they played quite a role in the development of modern food-stuffs, but where are the independent sources.  Industry magazines? Old newspapers? --Bejnar (talk) 18:45, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Indeed. We can use primary/non-independent sources to confirm facts, but they do not establish notability. Independence is needed to vet those facts. Who knows to what degree the company history on the company's pages is PR-massaged? We need someone else to say that they played a significant role, etc. If nobody bothered to say so over that 190+ years, well... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:06, 21 June 2017 (UTC)


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