Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syrian Kurdistan (3rd nomination)


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The result was   keep. Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:46, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Syrian Kurdistan
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As per the 2nd AfD for this article, the term Syiran Kurdistan does not exist, except in Kurdish parties propaganda. Historical and established maps for the area do not extend Kurdistan into syrian territories, although Kurds do live with other ethnicities in some Syrian areas, but those areas are not cllaed Kurdistan. Among others, here are some maps that show Kurdistan area:
 * File:Kurdistan1920.png
 * File:WholeRegionSevres.gif, Kurdistan shown in dashed area
 * File:Umgriffe Kurdistans.png

Article with tons of misleading information, including unofficial names for cities, poorly referenced material at best. As per the conclusion for 2nd nomination, I suggest the deletion of this page and redirecting it to Kurds in Syria, which already captures more information than this controversial article, and it is in line with other articles in the series (Kurds in Turkey, Kurds in Iran, etc.). Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 23:36, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Syria-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:10, 4 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep.
 * A few points:
 * 1. The term Syrian Kurdistan DOES exist. It is used by most Kurds and Kurdish sources and by some media outlets in place of or in combinaton with Rojavayê. Google Books shows at least 200 publishes sources for the term Syrian Kurdistan 1
 * 2. Kurdistan as an geographic area is not recognized officially. Therefore it is very hard to determine the borders of Kurdistan. Roughly speaking where Kurds are they(the Kurds) consider it Kurdistan. Since there are Kurds in Syria it is fair to say that Kurdistan does extend into Syria. The first and second map you mentioned illustrate the situation of almost a 100 years ago. The third doesn't list a date but it shows Kurds living in Syria. If you have to use a map for reference I suggest you use CIA map which is probably the most reliable right now.
 * 3. If you see misleading or poorly sourced information I think it's better to remove it or add a template to the page instead of deleting the whole page. Which is how we usually deal with it.
 * 4. Redirecting the article to Kurds in Syria is not a viable solution or alternative. The article Kurds in Syria deals with the Kurdish population in Syria whereas this article deals with an geographic area. Living in this geographic area are a lot non-Kurdish minorities(Christians, Yezidis) which the article Kurds in Syria doesn't deal with. This article also has a Geography and culture section that the article Kurds in Syria doesn't deal with.
 * 5. Redirecting this page to Kurds in Syria is not in line with the other areas as they all have their own articles: Turkish Kurdistan, Iraqi Kurdistan, Iranian Kurdistan
 * Deleting the page isn't really going to fix anything. This article might not be the best written but deleting it now means no one will got the chance to expand it and improve its quality. ~ Zirguezi 21:26, 4 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep.
 * Well, with all due respect, I have to disagree with the nomination. The aforementioned term does appear frequently in independent non-Kurdish sources. I have provided a brief list below.


 * Notable News Outlets
 * France 24, The Economist, Russia Today, Jerusalem Post, AlJazeera, Hurriyet Daily News, Al Arabiya, Huffington Post are using the term.


 * Academic Books
 * The Kurdish National Movement: Its Origins and Development, By W. Jwaideh, 2006. (p.144)
 * Historical Dictionary of the Kurds, By Michael Gunter, 2010. (p.218)
 * The Kurds And the State: Evolving National Identity in Iraq, Turkey, And Iran, By Denise Natali, 2005. (p.53)
 * The Yezidi Oral Tradition in Iraqi Kurdistan, By Christine Allison, 2012.
 * Primitive Rebels Or Revolutionary Modernizers?, By Paul J. White, 2000. (p.220)
 * Arab Spring and Arab Women, Edited by Muhammad Olimat, 2013. (p.147)
 * Self-determination in the Middle East, By Yosef Gotlieb, 1982. (p.104)
 * Nationalism and Ethnic Conflict: Class, State, and Nation in the Age of Globalization, By Berch Berberoglu, 2005. (p.58)


 * Scholarly Articles
 * 1) Modern Communications Technology in Ethnic Nationalist Hands: The Case of the Kurds, By David Romano, Canadian Journal of Political Science/Revue canadienne de science politique / Volume 35 / Issue 01 / March 2002, pp 127-149.


 * 2) Small-area XPS and XAES study of the iron ore smelting process, By G. M. Ingo, S. Mazzoni, G. Bultrini, S. Fontana, G. Padeletti, G. Chiozzini, L. Scoppio, Surface and Interface Analysis, Volume 22, Issue 1-12, pages 614–619, July 1994.


 * 3) Turkey and the USA in a Bipolarizing Middle East, By Lenore G. Martin, Journal of Balkan and Near Eastern Studies, Volume 15,Issue 2, 2013, Special Issue: Turkish–US Relations, pages 175-188.


 * 4) Effectiveness of psychotherapy for traumatized refugees without a secure residency status, By Michael Brune, Francisco Jose Eiroa-Orosa, Julia Fischer-Ortman, Christian Haasen, International Journal of Migration, Health and Social Care, Vol. 10 Iss: 1, 2014.


 * 5) A Geopolitical Analysis of the Activation of the Shiite Geopolitical Factor within the Syrian Conflict GeoSystem, By Ioannis Th. Mazis, Michalis Sarlis, Regional Science Inquiry Journal, The Hellenic Association of Regional Scientists, Vol. V, (2), 2013, pp. 125-144.


 * 6) The Syrian Cauldron, By Yury Fedorov, Security Index: A Russian Journal on International Security, Volume 19, Issue 1, 2013. pp.83-88


 * 7) The Kurdish spring, By Michael M. Gunter, Third World Quarterly, Volume 34, Issue 3, 2013. pp. 441-457 Vekoler (talk) 16:10, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


 * With the exception of France 24, your other sources talk about Kurds in Syria, not "Syrian Kurdistan". Your contributions clearly show your bias. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 03:04, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * His contribution are irrelevant. Instead of attacking him personally you should counter his argument with your own argument. Here is the term Syrian Kurdistan being used in the articles he listed:
 * The Economist: "what they call Western Kurdistan—Syria’s flat"
 * rt.com: "The body - The Cizîre Canton of West (Syrian) Kurdistan - will have its"
 * jpost.com: "of entry into Syrian Kurdistan."
 * aljazeera.com: "want in Western/Syrian Kurdistan, which by now"
 * hurriyetdailynews: "prospect of a “Syrian Kurdistan,” which seems"
 * huffingtonpost: "groups in Syrian Kurdistan have"
 * ~ Zirguezi 22:41, 6 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep As nominator says, this topic is established in published propaganda.  Blue Rasberry    (talk)   17:09, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
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