Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Systolic geometry for a beginner


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The result was   Keep (non-admin closure); nomination withdrawn. I was not aware when nominating this that introductory articles like this were allowed. Apologies. tgies (talk) 01:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Systolic geometry for a beginner

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Sort of a how-to article. Don't think there's anything to WP:SPEEDY this under. tgies (talk) 12:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * A number of people have mentioned to me that the article Systolic geometry is too fast-paced and does not provide an introduction that is elementary enough. What I had in mind was something that would be accessible to a non-mathematician, without burdening Systolic geometry with details that a more advanced reader would find tiresome.  Katzmik (talk) 13:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: an article being poorly written is not a valid reason for deletion. The article requires cleanup and clarification, preferably from someone familiar with the subject. Mh29255 (talk) 14:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - it would really be much better to raise issues about an introductory article on its Talk page. Charles Matthews (talk) 14:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep the article's aim isn't really as a how-to. From start to finish, it's simply for a beginning audience.  All too rare on wikipedia.  Often important math aritcles end up being merged monsters that are holistically incomprehensible.  Not this one though, which is nice.  --Firefly322 (talk) 14:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Introductory articles directed at the layman, are legitimate in principle and kept at Category:Introductions, so this one should be renamed to Introduction to systolic geometry. Compared to the others in that category, however, this seems to be already a rather special topic and I am not sure if there are already some general publications explaining systolic geometry for the layperson as e.g as for Introduction to M-theory. Such publications would be the kind of references justifying and outlining a possible article here as it would synthesize existing introductory literature. As long as sources of a corresponding introductory level aren't available and this amounts to just a modified version of our own article or some entirely new introductory article by a subject expert, I'd say delete. --Tikiwont (talk) 15:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm puzzled as to how this can be viewed as a how-to article.  Unless maybe you view all Wikipedia articles as "how-to" articles. Michael Hardy (talk) 15:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, but rename Clearly needed given the difficulty of systolic geometry. However, it should be renamed "Introduction to systolic geometry" as is our usual practice for introductory articles. JRSpriggs (talk) 15:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename per JRSpriggs. Wikipedia is not a how-to guide, but elementary introductions to complicated mathematics topics are of course more than welcome. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as a duplicate. Wikipedia's an encyclopedia, not a textbook. 67.170.13.119 (talk) 21:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination withdrawn. See above. tgies (talk) 01:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.