Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/T-shirt size


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. RL0919 (talk) 19:51, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

T-shirt size

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I cannot quite see what this article is meant to be about. Therre are already various article on garment sizes, for instance Clothing sizes. I can't see why T-shirt sizes merit a separate article, so am dubious about the value of simply creating a reddirect.TheLongTone (talk) 14:27, 3 August 2023 (UTC) TheLongTone (talk) 14:27, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete You have to be kidding me. There is no way the practices for labeling t-shirt sizes is encyclopedic, and that's not even what the article is about...the attempts to link the subject to CSS class names in Bootstrap (among other topics) is OR to the point of hallucination.  None of the sources cited that I could access even talks about t-shirt size, only mentions size as an analogy.WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to T-shirt? Agree that this page has no virtue to exist. --TheLonelyPather (talk) 15:47, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. The article cites two Japanese Industrial Standards (JIS) standards (JIS L 4004 Sizing systems for men's garments and JIS L 4005 Sizing Systems for Women's Garments), but I don't know whether those standards include specific sizing for T-shirts. I do not know whether a corresponding ISO, ANSI or trade association standard exists. Canada has Canada Standard Sizes, but only for children's clothing. If Japan's standards are the only ones available, then the article will focus on those. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 17:20, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The JIS standards are only cited to source variants like LLL instead of XXL. — Christoph Päper 13:50, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * “T-shirt size” is used as a term to refer to ordinal size categories S, M and L (and more) even outside the clothing context. That’s what this article is trying to be about. They are prevalent in (agile) software development effort estimation for instance,  but I tried to broaden the scope of the article because S/M/L or SM/MD/LG are also used in (graphic) design  and retail – importantly, the English abbreviations are often used in other languages verbatim. Sometimes, just one of them, usually XL or XXL, is used without the others as a label to highlight an unusual size of a product. — Christoph Päper 13:50, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * comment Small, Medium and Large are simply ordinary words; I fail to see what difference it makes when they are applied to T-shirts. The article does not enlighten me. I note that the given refs are entirely fatuous.TheLongTone (talk) 14:03, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Abbreviating extra by X, duplicating it and using (X)S, M, (X)L outside English is not ordinary. Calling something “T-shirt size”, when it’s not actually about clothing, is not ordinary. 08:57, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Clothing sizes. Apart from the trivial duplication increments, all material is already present there. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs)
 * This article is not about clothing sizes. — Christoph Päper 08:57, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting because several comments do not appear to acknowledge that the article is about the use of t-shirt sizes as a metaphor, rather than actual clothing sizes. That does not mean the article should be kept, but I do not want to create the appearance that we are deleting articles without correctly understanding what the subject is. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 20:11, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge and redirect to T-shirt. This page is a joke and has no reason to exist. IncompA 20:35, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Coment: I think there's a broader mathematics/computer science point to this article about a type of data (as I parse the first sentence, a variable type where various physical sizes are lumped together into e.g. "small", you can put the different values e.g. "small", "medium", "large" into order, but you can't necessarily tell the absolute size of the shirt just from knowing it's a "medium"). If there are any sources for the usage of this term in this context outside the sizing of clothing, most of the rationale for deletion vanishes. That might be a big if, though. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 22:16, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Article is a confusing SYNTH of various clothing sizing criteria and standards, without a clear narrative. I can't see that T-shirts are sized any differently than other articles of clothing. Oaktree b (talk) 03:07, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * commentI'd believe in the rationale for this article if it made any reference to units real people use, such as the Belgium or the Wales.TheLongTone (talk) 13:43, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


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