Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/T. Roth and Another Pretty Face


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus defaulting to Keep and w/o prejudice to a future renomination. After reading the arguments I am not satisfied that there is anything that can be called a workable consensus to either keep or delete. Sorry, but after three relists it's time to call this a hung jury and declare a mistrial. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:58, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

T. Roth and Another Pretty Face

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I am not seeing anything in the article that would suggests it passes WP:NMUSIC (or WP:GNG). Thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:36, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 10:45, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - The nominator has to remember WP:BEFORE and WP:NEXIST. A deletion discussion is not supposed to be about the present state of the article, but what it could be if sources exist. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 19:05, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * True, I should've said that I've also failed to locate any good coverage in my search. Did you find anything useful? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:16, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Although there are some minor claims to notability, I couldn't find enough sources that would suggest passing WP:BAND. — sparklism hey! 08:05, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - For this particular band I was only able to find that one very brief mention in a book (also located by the last voter) and one notice of a reunion show . That book entry is currently footnote #9 in the article; some of the other sources there are merely listings of the band's existence at the usual aggregation sites, and some are actually about the later activities of frontman T. Roth. I was able to find some additional stuff about his much longer career . If anyone wants create it, an article on T. Roth might actually be viable. That article could list the brief existence of this little band, but the band itself has not demonstrated enough notability for its own article. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 15:27, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd be fine with soft deletion through redirection to T. Roth biography, if anyone wants to take a stab at it... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:53, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. The Mornig Call looks OK. There is good coverage in . The Steven Blush book which gives a little coverage states that they got "raves in Rock Scene and Melody Maker" indicating further coverage. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:53, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the reliable sources listed above that indicates significant coverage in magazines and books so likely passing WP:GNG thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 16:51, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   15:23, 22 September 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kpg  jhp  jm  02:09, 29 September 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist. Still no consensus even after two relists

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kpg  jhp  jm  03:36, 6 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. I removed some deadlinks. Most remaining refs are things like allmusic, itunes, youtube, i.e. run of the mill stuff that doesn't speak to notability. Fails WP:NMUSIC, and the handful of refs to actual media coverage don't provide notability per WP:GNG in my opinion. Yilloslime (talk) 22:43, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * In what way does the media coverage not provide media coverage for GNG? duffbeerforme (talk) 23:43, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * What media coverage? All I see is one article in a small town, local newspaper (The Morning Call). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:57, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, so that's where you went wrong. WP:NEXIST. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC)


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