Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TJ O'Brien


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 20:37, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

TJ O'Brien

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Fighter fails WP:NMMA. Please note that exhibition fights dont count toward notability. JadeSnake (talk) 13:03, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Strikeout added because JadeSnake was a confirmed sockpuppet of an already banned user.Willdawg111 (talk) 20:40, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment TUF fights count toward WP:NMMA. If you read the guidelines, all that is required is for them to be Professional fights and put on by a top tier organization which the UFC is. There are a couple people who keep incorrectly saying TUF fights don't count but they appear to have a lack of understanding about how sanctioned, professional MMA fights are done.Willdawg111 (talk) 15:58, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes WP:MMA, WP:ATHLETE and WP:NMMA by fighting in live UFC events twice and competing in a very notable TV show (The Ultimate Fighter) which was a professional bout, even if not considered so by the NSAC and is therefore counted towards the above policies. Also recently fought for the World Series of Fighting which aired on NBC Sports Network and whilst that was the promotion's debut event, it is was still notable for airing on network television.  Paralympiakos  (talk) 15:38, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:59, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:59, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:NMMA as not having three (fully-professional) fights in a top-tier promotion as listed at WP:MMANOT. --TreyGeek (talk) 23:07, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * He fought 3x on tv. 2x ufc, 1x WSOF on NBC. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 00:47, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You do realise that MMANOT is being misinterpreted though, right? If we're only counting top tier, then what on earth is the point in having a second tier? The whole point of MMANOT was that the second tier had some impact too. NMMA was just a further entry that highlighted the bastardisation of what MMANOT was meant to be. Amateur and professional are absolute terms btw; there is no degree to them. A bout can't be "sort of professional". It is or it isn't.  Paralympiakos  (talk) 23:21, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - Passes WP:MMA and WP:NMMA. Sepulwiki (talk) 21:14, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - not notable. Fails WP:NMMA, WP:ATHLETE, and WP:BLP --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 23:36, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - @Sepulwiki, WP:MMA is a project, not a guideline or policy, and he do fails WP:NMMA. --LlamaAl (talk) 00:08, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NMMA. Article can be recreated if he gets another top tier fight. Jakejr (talk) 05:45, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Easily passes WP:GNG and WP:V as per non trivial refs here(nbc), here (USATODAY), here, and here. It would be somewhat disturbing to see this notable person deleted from Wikipedia because they supposedly do not pass one guideline in WP:NMMA yet passing WP policy and other guidelines  PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 12:51, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Taking into account the above refs, and keeping in mind WP:NOTDEMOCRACY, will an admin do the right thing and close this as a keep? PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 14:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:24, 6 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - If this article is closed as a keep, I will petition for an article to be created about *me*, and my son too, as we both have trophies in "international" martial arts events. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 03:02, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Added WP:SOURCES to the article with citations. Definitely passes the WP:GNG now with the extra refs — Preceding unsigned comment added by PortlandOregon97217 (talk • contribs)
 * Pre fight promotional (and post fight results) articles are simply routine coverage and don't satisfy the significant coverage criteria of GNG. Jakejr (talk) 23:12, 6 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - Fails WP:NMMA. --LlamaAl (talk) 01:07, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete He fails WP:NMMA and the article's sources are just routine sports reporting, so he fails WP:GNG. Mdtemp (talk) 16:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with Mdtemp's reasoning. Papaursa (talk) 20:34, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
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