Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tailwheels Etc. Flight School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Tailwheels Etc. Flight School

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Non-notable small local business. Article is evidently written by someone connected to the school, seeking to promote it either tacitly or blatantly. Google turns up nothing that would indicate it meets notability standards for companies. No references establish notability - mostly generic links to Cessna and such. Yes, this is a new article (it's a contested speedy - the editor who removed the speedy has a contribution history going back only one week), but this one is pretty obvious, and I see nothing out there that would make this company clear the bar on notability. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:45, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - There is no coverage in reliable sources to establish this business as a notable one. -- Whpq (talk) 18:17, 19 May 2011 (UTC),
 * I am a minor contributor to this article. (I found the FAA LID,as well as the references to the school by the FAA and in news stories)and I am a bit perplexed. As I believe was briefly touched on during the speedy deletion discussion, the School has as much claim (if not more so) to notability as Jack Browns Seaplane Base, which is another entry linked to Winter Haven's Gilbert Airport (namely the FAA LID) and indeed more references from the BBB, magazines etc. as well. I do not believe that the information, as written, is in any way promotional, but is in all honesty just a factual entry of where the school is, and what it does.Tygerstar (talk) 19:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC) — Tygerstar (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The difference here appears to be the fact that the seaplane base is an actual public use landing/take-off facility, much like a standard airport, but a flight school is not. The info on the seaplane base is of use for flight planning, whereas a flight school is not (unless it operates its own airport, which this one doesn't). Frankly, I'm a little dubious of the notability of the seaplane base, but that one isn't my call. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:40, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 22:35, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete I could find absolutely no coverage to establish this flight school's notability. --MelanieN (talk) 23:52, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * OK, I think maybe I need some help here. It seems that I am being told that the FAA LID and the governement certificate authorizing the school to teach nonimmigrant aliens isn't enough to prove notability,and neither is the magazine article. I strongly believe that this is an encyclopedic entry, and would love some help then in figuring out what types of references WOULD make the organization notable. I've read the wiki entry on notability, and it seems to me that these items as already provided do contribute towards establishing Tailwheels Etc.'s notability.Tygerstar (talk) 19:56, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply - Government licensing only establishes that it authorised by the government to operate whatever it is licensed for. It can be used to verify existence, but isn't useful for establishing that a business meets Wikipedia's inclusion criteria.  A single magazine article (which by the way I cannot access as the magazine's website seems to be serving up java failures) is insufficient to establish notability.  There needs to be multiple instances of significant coverage from independent sources with a reputation for fact-checking. And note that coverage from local media tend to be discounted when looking at establishing notability, especially for a business. -- Whpq (talk) 20:36, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.