Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Taimane Gardner


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:21, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Taimane Gardner

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Subject fails WP:NMUSIC. Some coverage exists, but only from regional sources, and nothing to indicate a claim to significance. SamHolt6 (talk) 01:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hawaii-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:45, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:45, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't mind this article being under review as I haven't finished adding more sources/info. However, "Category:String musician stubs" contains over 60 articles and most are less significant/famous than Taimane Gardner. Stubs such as Bo Ya, Pierre Jamet, Francesco Petrini and many others are almost empty with no sources and they have been up for at least a year or more. Gardner is one of the more notable string musicians in the US so deleting this would a shame. I'll add more national/international sources to the article. Thanks!Nyeeye (talk)
 * Keep

*Keep I would also like to note that the references used for this article include The San Diego Union-Tribune, KHON-TV, MidWeek, The Honolulu Advertiser and other reliable sources. If those references don't indicate a "claim to significance" then I don't know what does. There is also no promotional language in this article and every line has a legitimate reference. Plenty of unsourced/promotional musician stubs out there but this is not one of them. Nyeeye (talk)
 * Noted, but I nominated on the grounds that the subject fails WP:NMUSIC, Wikipedia's criteria for notability for musicians and ensembles. It encompasses 12 categories, but their are several I am most concerned with. For example, many of the sources cited by the article are based around interviews with the subject or are re-writings of press releases, and so while they may come from RS they are not independent of the subject. For example, the Waldorf School article cited is actually attributed to another story by a Hawaiian magazine which heavily featured an interview with her father. Another major concern is that the article subject lacks a clear claim to significance; for example, WP:NMUSIC states that musicians should have won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award or Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart., and I have seen no RS that indicate she has fulfilled either requirement. International exposure is another issue, as the article's claim about her exposure stems from a one paragraph entry in a 2008 listing article about Hawaii's music scene . In short, the subject has accrued local (possibly regional) coverage, but fails to meet one to many of the criteria laid down by NMUSIC, and the amount of connections between the sources cited and the lack of truly independent coverage of the subject is also an issue.--SamHolt6 (talk) 15:38, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Comment The nominator seems determined to delete this article but I did make a minor addition to the Career section and I will continue adding more sourcing. As I stated above, please look at almost any of the 62 articles in "Category:String musician stubs" where most have little to no referencing, content, or claim to significance. Many of these stubs have been up for years and have never been nominated for deletion. String musician stubs like Christian Lemaitre have been up since 2006, Emma Christian since 2005, and many others in that category. They have no major award nominations, no hit singles, and very little information at all. If the nominator wants to claim that Gardner's article is deletion material but not the others then so be it. Please be consistent with your opinions, standards, and deletion nominations.--Nyeeye (talk)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 10:55, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SoWhy 15:46, 11 August 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep. A lot of the coverage this person has is local, but it isn't all local; there's pieces from media in Hong Kong and Cairns, in addition to a mainstream music magazine and a couple of seemingly decent local sources, . Not slam-dunk notable, maybe, but just enough to push her over the edge, I think. Vanamonde (talk) 10:37, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 12:02, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep due to just enough coverage in reliable sources. For the nominator : the subject is notable if she satisfies WP:GNG OR WP:NMUSIC. Or other notability guidelines. You cannot choose which notability guideline is not met in AFD if the subject satisfies other guidelines. Particularly WP:GNG. Ross-c (talk) 13:31, 19 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.