Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tainan (disambiguation)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Spartaz Humbug! 04:12, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Tainan (disambiguation)

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It is my belief that this disambiguation is no longer needed as a result of Tainan City's and Tainan County's merger. However, why I didn't directly delete it myself is that I do think this should be subjected to a discussion. But my own opinion is delete. --Nlu (talk) 16:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect to Tainan if it's desirable to maintain incoming links. Disambiguation doesn't seem to be required any longer, hatnotes should suffice. Thryduulf (talk) 17:05, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Last I checked, there were no incoming links (in article space) to the disambiguation page.  --  j &#9883; e decker  talk  04:37, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Taiwan-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:46, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete seems like an uncontroversial housekeeping move. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 23:25, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Tainan City and Tainan County may have merged as political entities, but they have not, as near as I can tell, yet merged as Wikipedia articles. Is that correct? --  j &#9883; e decker  talk  03:35, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Correct. I don't think the articles should merge because Tainan County should be talk about the historical entity.  But at this point, no one will refer to the historical entity of Tainan County as Tainan any more since Tainan County no longer exists — and that is my reason for believing that there is no ambiguity left to disambiguate.  If anyone needs to refer to the historical Tainan County, surely they will refer to the county itself as Tainan County and not as Tainan.  --Nlu (talk) 04:20, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, I see, my bad. Thanks for the response. With nothing left pointing at this disambiguation, I agree this qualifies as a speedy delete, perhaps speedy. --  j &#9883; e decker  talk  04:30, 2 January 2011 (UTC)  (There are now more than two targets as the article has been edited, see below.)
 * Keep more than two things to disambiguate and a third similar sounding entity for a see also. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:56, 2 January 2011 (UTC
 * Except there are only two articles Tainan and Tainan County (Tainan City redirects to Tainan) so hatnotes will suffice. Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * peek again, that is not the case. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. I don't think it's necessary to convert it to a redirection as long as no link points to it. Laurent (talk) 15:17, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The only problem is that there are more than the two hatnoted entities here. You have to do a little research before you vote. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:46, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think the additional links you've added should be in the disambiguation page because there's no ambiguity between them. Also I wonder in which context this article is useful. If someone is looking for "Tainan airport" or "Tainan station", why would they type "Tainan (disambiguation)"? Laurent (talk) 01:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep as per additional items to disambiguate introduced by Richard Arthur Norton since my previous comment. At the time I previously commented, there were three, not ten-or-so items on the disambiguation page, and two of the three directed to the same page, leaving only two vaild targets. --  j &#9883; e decker  talk  21:30, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I do not believe that those items are likely to be referred to as "Tainan." --Nlu (talk) 00:08, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * What evidence do you have for that statement? When you are flying into an airport and someone asks you what airport, do you say "Kennedy International Airport", or just say "Kennedy", I know what I say. Here are examples for Kennedy Airport and I would say it goes for all airports and train stations.
 * "I flew into Kennedy to find all of Long Island had been turned into the Great White Way. Only one runway at the airport was open. To get to Manhattan was another scene. Even to get from the street to the entrance of the building at ..."
 * "Toshio flew into Kennedy on his way home to Japan, and I took a Pan Am flight to meet him at the airport. He had to wait for me for six hours. Toshio wasn't used to waiting for anything, though he was definitely in the habit of making ..."
 * "We flew into Kennedy and Lisa picked me up. I offered Sue a ride with us into the city, which she accepted. Lisa drove through the rain and talked non-stop about the parties her daddy was planning and the big reception at Lion's Gate. ..."
 * --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:49, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * People might indeed say "we flew into Tainan" but does it really matter in the context of an encyclopedia? On Wikipedia, we would write "We flew into Tainan" with a piped link to "Tainan airport" so the disambiguation would not be necessary. Likewise, if someone hear this sentence in the real world and wants to know more about the airport they would search for "Tainan airport" and not "Tainan (disambiguation)" which again makes the disambiguation page useless. Laurent (talk) 05:40, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't have a machine that lets me read the mind of every user and why they would look up anything in Wikipedia. I can just make reasonable guesses and follow Wikipedia guidelines, and this page is fully supported by the guidelines. Your argument for deletion can be used at every disambiguation page. You asking the reader why they are not looking up the proper name in the first place instead of going to a disambiguation page. I am really not sure how you can judge any disambiguation page useless without being able to read the mind of every user from this point until the end of time. I will however have that ability in the future, by seeing how many hits that page gets a year from now. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:59, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think that is a good faith answer, Richard. It still comes down to this: how many people are going to think of just "Tainan" when referring to one of those entities that you've added to the disambiguation article?  I think it's highly implausible.  If it were a redirect, it would fit under the "implausible redirect" category.  "Kennedy" is not a good example, because New York has multiple airports, and therefore one may be more likely to refer to the airport as opposed to "I flew to New York" (which I would still find to be much more likely).  That simply doesn't happen with Tainan.  Even though it has multiple train stations now, "I took the train to Tainan" is still going to be referring to the city, and not Tainan station.  The argument — but more so, your response to the response — smacks at least a smidgeon of WP:POINT.  --Nlu (talk) 09:29, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * See, for example: Los Angeles (disambiguation). --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 17:14, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Those are mostly about other places named "Los Angeles." Is there any other "Tainan" in the world?  I am unaware of any.  Had there been no other "Los Angeles" in the world, I would have also found all those other claims that "Los Angeles" can refer to, for example, "Neighborhoods of Los Angeles" extremely strained and unbelievable.  No one is going to refer to the neighborhoods of Los Angeles as Los Angeles.  But given that a disambiguation page is clearly necessary for Los Angeles given the presences of the other places named Los Angeles, I wouldn't be asking for deletion there.  The situation is quite different for Tainan as there is no other Tainan.  --Nlu (talk) 22:14, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Let us just agree to disagree to save time, and let others decide for themselves. I think at this point you are just arguing for the sake of entertainment or wikilawyering. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:48, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * And I think you're simply being ridiculous. Come on — are those other things that you put on the page ever going to be referred to by themselves as "Tainan" in isolation?  Use your common sense, please.  --Nlu (talk) 23:49, 6 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Given the existence of the city, county and other articles with the shared prefix, a disambiguation page is appropriate. Alansohn (talk) 19:05, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.