Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Taiwan Cinefest


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The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. After multiple relists, there is still a plausible disagreement among participants about whether the sources support notability. RL0919 (talk) 00:59, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Taiwan Cinefest

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Defunct, and doesn't seem to have ever met WP:GNG. Deleted by PROD previously. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 18:44, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and Taiwan. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 18:44, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The book notes on page 197: "The Taiwan Cinefest, I argue, translates the idea of "Taiwanese cinema" for its viewers through tried and tested commercial practices." The book notes on page 198: "The London Taiwan Cinefest brands itself as "Europe's largest independent Taiwanese film festival." The event took place annually in London from 2009 to 2012—expanding to include screenings in Glasgow in 2010 and a touring event in Paris during its last iteration—and is the brainchild of Steven Flynn. A British national and independent film producer, Flynn first became interested in Asia while studying International Relations at university, and acquired a taste for Chinese-language media while teaching English in the PRC after graduation. On returning to the UK, he decided to simultaneously develop his production career and launch a film festival dedicated to Chinese-language cinema. After assessing the existing festivals of Asian cinema in London—including Chinese-focused events such as the China Image Festival, but also festivals run by the Korea Foundation, Japan Foundation, and Asia House—he decided that there was room in the calendar for a niche event dedicated to film from Taiwan. Thus the Taiwan Cinefest was born."   The article notes: "以介紹台灣電影在國際曝光的「2012 Taiwan Cinefest」影展將在今年5月於倫敦、洛杉磯、紐約與巴黎等地舉行，其中「台灣電影新秀獎」短片單元歡迎台灣短片報名，獲選作品將可在該影展中放映. " From Google Translate: "The "2012 Taiwan Cinefest" film festival, which introduces the international exposure of Taiwanese films, will be held in London, Los Angeles, New York, and Paris in May this year. Among them, the "Taiwan Film Rookie Award" short film section welcomes applications for short films from Taiwan, and the selected works will be awarded Screened at the festival." </li> <li> The video description notes: "第2屆倫敦台灣電影節17號登場，以高雄為背景的異國戀情電影「對不起！我愛你」被選為開幕片，是歐洲首演. 導演林育賢在倫敦與影迷相見歡. 電影節由中華民國駐英代表處參與合辦，在倫敦西南邊的Riverside Studio藝文展演中心播放. " From Google Translate: "The 2nd London Taiwan Cinefest will be held on the 17th, and the exotic love movie "Sorry! I Love You" set in Kaohsiung was selected as the opening film, which is the European premiere. Director Yuxian Lin meets fans in London. The film festival is co-organized by the Representative Office of the Republic of China in the UK and broadcast at the Riverside Studio Art Exhibition Center in southwest London." </li> <li> The article notes: "5月26日晚，英国台湾电影节在伦敦Apollo Piccadilly电影院开幕. 开幕片《父后七日》的导演刘梓洁来到伦敦参与欧洲首映. 英国台湾电影节由驻英台北代表处与伦敦Cinefest Productions合作举办，今年是第三届. 本届电影节为期三天，放映《父后七日》、《不能没有你》、《艋舺》、《恋爱通告》等四部剧情长片以及八部台湾新导演的短片. " From Google Translate: "On the evening of May 26, the British Taiwan Cinefest opened at the Apollo Piccadilly Cinema in London. Marula Liu, the director of the opening film "Seven Days in Heaven", came to London to participate in the European premiere. The British Taiwan Cinefest is jointly organized by the Taipei Representative Office in the UK and Cinefest Productions in London. This year is the third year. This year's film festival will last for three days, and will screen four feature films including "Seven Days in Heaven", "Cannot Live Without You", "Monga" and "Love in Disguise" as well as eight short films by new Taiwanese directors." </li> <li> The article notes: "3月17日晚，第二届伦敦台湾电影节（Taiwan Cinefest）拉开了帷幕，本地观众有机会欣赏10部从未在英国及欧洲上映的台湾电影. ... 伦敦台湾电影节的组织者Steven Flynn曾经在中国大陆工作，对台湾电影的浓厚兴趣促使他创立了这个全欧洲最大规模的台湾影展. ... 本届台湾电影节为期5天，还将特别在伦敦大学Goldsmith学院举行新秀讨论会，展映7位台湾裔电影新人的短片作品. " From Google Translate: "On the evening of March 17, the second London Taiwan Cinefest kicked off, and local audiences had the opportunity to enjoy 10 Taiwanese films that had never been screened in the UK or Europe. ... The organizer of the London Taiwan Film Festival, Steven Flynn, used to work in mainland China. His strong interest in Taiwanese films prompted him to create the largest Taiwan film festival in Europe. ... This year's Taiwan Film Festival lasts for 5 days, and will also hold a discussion panel for newcomers at Goldsmith College, University of London, where they will screen short films by 7 newcomers of Taiwanese descent." </li> <li>Less significant coverage:<ol> <li> The article notes: "5月24日晚，第四届伦敦台湾电影节TaiwanCinefest在Appollo Cinema与观众见面，开幕电影《电哪吒》的导演李运杰接受子川采访. " From Google Translate: "On the evening of May 24th, the 4th London Taiwan Film Festival TaiwanCinefest met with the audience at Appollo Cinema. Li Yunjie, the director of the opening film "Spin Kid", was interviewed by Zi Chuan." </li> <li> The article notes: "伦敦的台湾电影节今年已经是第三届了. 不仅在选片上经典和新秀都有顾及，而且从嘉宾来看，从第一届的新锐导演李启源、第二届的国际知名导演蔡明亮，到这次的魏德圣，每次都给观众带来不一样的感受. " From Google Translate: "The Taiwan Film Festival in London is in its third year this year. Not only classics and rookies are considered in the selection of films, but also from the perspective of the guests, from the first new director Li Qiyuan, the second internationally renowned director Cai Mingliang, to this time Wei Desheng, each time they brought the audience a wonderful experience. same feeling." </li> </ol></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Taiwan Cinefest to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 22:36, 16 April 2023 (UTC) </li></ul> Relisting comment: Further analysis of Cunard's sources would be appreciated. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:05, 23 April 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  ✗  plicit  00:29, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: The first source presented above meets IS RS with SIGCOV (barely). The rest are clearly promo. Sources in the article and BEFORE are promo. A single source along with evidence the event was promoted does not pass GNG or EVENT. If someone adds IS RS with SIGCOV (not promo) to the article, let me know (no need for a wall of text).  // Timothy :: talk  16:03, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Taiwan Cinefest was a film festival held in London between 2009 and 2012. It received substantial coverage in a 2017 book. It was covered by the BBC over multiple years. It was covered by the Taiwanese media. This is more than enough to meet Notability. I don't consider the BBC and the Taiwanese sources to be promotional sources. Cunard (talk) 07:12, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 *  Keep per sources found by Cunard. Clearly passes WP:GNG. 49.237.39.216 (talk) 00:50, 22 April 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE – Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:32, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Zippybonzo &#124; Talk (he&#124;him) 17:27, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: I agree, it meets WP:GNG. Nothing can like this. CastJared (talk) 06:40, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reviewing the sources, . Would you clarify what you mean by "Nothing can like this"? Is there a missing word or words in that sentence? Cunard (talk) 08:21, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Means that arguing on decision to keep by liking this article. CastJared (talk) 10:30, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. The sources presented give information that the event is being held but I'm not sure if any of the article writers actually attended the Cinefest. I'd want to see at least one indepth review or commentary after the event. WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE states "Events that are only covered in sources published during or immediately after an event, without further analysis or discussion, are likely not suitable for an encyclopedia article. Only Cunard's first source is published after the event and that concentrates on Steven Flynn, not the Cinefest. Therefore, for me, the sources presented do not sufficiently demonstrate significant coverage for notability. The claim in the lead that the event is "Europe's largest Taiwanese film festival" is self-styled as Cunard's first source indicates. Rupples (talk) 02:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE redirects to Notability (events). Notability (events) says, "This notability guideline for events reflects consensus reached through discussions and reinforced by established practice, and informs decisions on whether an article about past, current, and breaking news events should be written, merged, deleted or further developed." As the Taiwan Cinefest is not a "breaking news event", WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE and Notability (events) are not applicable. Notability is applicable and that is met by, which was published five years after the festival stopped being held. Here are more quotes from  to show that the festival has received significant coverage and analysis from it. From page 197: "To this end, for the rest of this chapter I will consider two case studies. Both are specialist Chinese-language festivals based in London: the Taiwan Cinefest and the Chinese Visual Festival. In both instances, I will focus on how the festivals aim to translate certain concepts or ideas for local audiences through film selection and ancillary practices, although what is being translated, and how, varies for each festival. The Taiwan Cinefest, I argue, translates the idea of “Taiwanese cinema” for its viewers through tried and tested commercial practices." From page 198: "[paragraph I previously quoted at ] In the past, the Cinefest’s London iteration has typically lasted between three and five days. Its locations have varied, though Flynn has usually tried to rent cinemas in the city center for at least some screenings every year. Programs have incorporated a variety of genres, including documentaries, features, and short films. Moreover, the festival has tried to ensure UK premiers as a central strand of its programming, often complementing these with special appearances from directors or actors, particularly for opening night films. Despite this scale and range of activity, however, in many ways the Cinefest remains a one-man event. [discussion about how it is a one-man event] This means that continuity is difficult, with new staff having to be trained every year; it also means that Flynn is closely involved in all areas of the festival, and clearly keeps overheads low. This latter point is important, since Flynn is essentially responsible for the festival’s finances. Its initial seed money came out of his pocket: the first year made what he describes as a “tactical loss,” with a view to the longer-term development of the event’s potential. Since then, he has aimed to make the festival a self-funding enterprise that, while not profit seeking, does try at least to be financially self-sufficient. It has acquired various different sponsors or partners on a year-by-year basis—including Taiwanese run or branded businesses and the Taipei Representative Office in the UK—but these provide the event with subsidies in kind, rather than significant financial support: costs are effectively recouped from ticket sales. Thus, it would appear to be this financial and organizational self-sufficiency that is signified by the branding of the event as independent, one which seeks to distance the Cinefest from assumptions of third party management, be that governmental or commercial, and ensure a degree of “flexibility and control over what we do.”" This source provides substantial analysis about the "financial and organizational self-sufficiency" of the festival. Cunard (talk) 04:31, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for providing the additional quote.  I acknowledge that source as being reliable, independent and sufficiently indepth to count towards notability. However, it’s the only source so far presented that does. It’s the only one written after the event. The Notability (events) guideline asks us to consider past events. Cinefest is an event and so I’m judging it by the criteria in that guideline and believe it falls under point 3 of WP:EVENTCRITERIA: “Events having lesser coverage or more limited scope may or may not be notable”.
 * I have then considered WP:LASTING, WP:COVERAGE and WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. My view is the sources presented are not sufficient to satisfy these three areas. It would need attention from at least one other source looking back at Cinefest to do so. My interpretation of the other sources presented is 'routine coverage' WP:ROUTINE as all they do is tell readers that the event exists. WP:DIVERSITY, on the other hand, is fulfilled. Rupples (talk) 14:04, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
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