Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Taiwan teas


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. The rationale for deletion was lack of useful content and sourcing, Novickas' edits appear to have addressed that issue and the only comment after those improvements has been to include the content.

I am making the purely editorial decision to rename the article "Taiwanese tea", as this improves the grammar, and Naming conventions (plurals) discourages plurals in article titles. Sjakkalle (Check!)  14:35, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Taiwan teas

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This seems to be a low quality article with no obvious reason for its existence. Any material could be included in tea, Chinese tea, or Taiwanese tea culture. There seems to be a proliferation of low quality articles on closely related topics. It would be better to work on high quality articles with redirects as are useful. I can only compare this to beer: There is no article for Scottish beer, English beer, Belgian beer, etc. Why should there be an article for Taiwan teas? This article does not make the case for a notable standalone article. Logical Cowboy (talk) 06:40, 4 March 2011 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Logan Talk Contributions 05:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree, there's no reason for this article to exist. I'd suggest to merge it with Taiwanese tea culture, but there's little useful material in it, and the sources are all Chinese-language. &#x0F3A; gabrielkfl &#x0F3B;  (talk)  07:24, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Taiwan-related deletion discussions.  -- Danger (talk) 12:28, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  -- Danger (talk) 12:28, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Comment I would like to point out that this article is almost completely redundant with Formosa oolong tea. Logical Cowboy (talk)
 * Keep There are substantial articles for Belgian beer, Scottish beer and English beer and so the nomination's assertions are blatantly false. Sources for the topic such as The structural transformation of Taiwan's tea industry seem easy to find.  The nominator should please read WP:BEFORE before coming here again. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Reply Thanks for your comments.  You have made my exact point.  There are no articles called Belgian Beer, Scottish Beer, and English beer, so your statements were literally false.  Instead, there are articles called Beer in Belgium, Beer in Scotland, and Beer in England, with redirects.  There is already an article called Taiwanese tea culture.  Surely that should be merged with Taiwan teas, per WP:ATD?  Perhaps the merged article could be called tea in Taiwan.  Do you really think there should be three separate articles, Taiwan teas, Taiwanese tea culture, and Formosa oolong tea, with the same content?   By that argument, there should be separate articles for Belgian Beer, Beer in Belgium, and Belgian Beer Culture.  Logical Cowboy (talk) 15:15, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - No reliable sources = not notable. A redirect to Taiwanese tea culture would be OK. No merge, though, as there is no sourced material here. - SummerPhD (talk) 16:15, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - per the logical comment behind about this article's redundancy. A redirect to Taiwanese tea culture would be fine, I guess. Yaksar (let's chat) 16:57, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: The article under discussion here has been rescue flagged by an editor for review by the Article Rescue Squadron.  Yaksar (let's chat) 16:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. It has been expanded using a number of book refs. (And that was using only EN ones). There are a number of notable Taiwanese tea varieties - 600 grams of Lishan Oolong fetching over $200, for example (National Geographic books ) - and the Joy of Cooking says 'some connoiseurs consider [Formosa oolong] to be the best'. It could include more about varietal histories and what makes some T. teas so prized; cultivars, growing conditions, processing techniques, marketing, etc. About the other related articles - the material in Formosa oolong tea is mostly or completely present in this article and could be redirected here; the author might well agree if they're asked nicely. Taiwanese tea culture appears to be a distinct topic; recently exported to Singapore, per this National University of Singapore book, and could probably be developed in the same way as Japanese tea ceremony has been. But merge proposals should be discussed at article talk pages and editor talk pages first. Novickas (talk) 19:19, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per statements of Novickas. --DThomsen8 (talk) 23:43, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.