Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Takkō Ishimori


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Cerebellum (talk) 22:11, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Takkō Ishimori

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Only notable role as far as the eye can see is Sengoku from One Piece. Nothing else strikes as notable. Delete or redirect to Sengoku. Sk8erPrince (talk) 11:28, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note to reader:This user is now tbanned from these discussionw please don't respond to them directly as they can not reply and it could possibly be triggering for them. --Adam in MO Talk 04:07, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2016 December 8.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 11:42, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep There is a more detailed biography of this person on ja:wiki. I also see some major dubbing roles that would make this person pass WP:ENT. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:30, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Japanese dubbing roles of Western live action movies are not notable. An unsourced or poorly written bio means failure of WP:BIO, even in JP wiki. Now, assuming that the subject's bio in JP wiki is actually ok, if the subject is deemed to only be notable as the role of Sengoku, then regardless of how sizable the bio is, it still won't save the article. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 15:26, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep. The assertion that "Japanese dubbing roles of Western live action movies are not notable" is simply that - an assertion. Live-action dubbing is an important part of film industries in many non-English-speaking countries. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 23:04, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No, it's not just an assertion. It has been used as an argument to delete two articles off of the encyclopedia. See AFD 1 and AFD 2. Your claim on dubbing being an important part of film industries in non-English speaking countries is again, completely baseless, as pointed out in AFD 1. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 01:00, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Just one article, but there are plenty more. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 01:10, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant. It doesn't say anything about Japanese dubbing of foreign films, which is the main concern here. Also irrelevant in the sense that you have not provided more sources that proves your point. This is a classic argument of WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 01:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Originally I was going to pick ups on this point but between the difficulty in finding coverage one way or another, the literal handful of people who have western notability for their dubbing of live action (I can only name two) and the credit roles here it doesn't seem necessary to go over. I fully agree about the concept, but keeping the article over it with those credits doesn't make much sense. SephyTheThird (talk) 11:14, 13 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep I think Andreas is right here. Assuming that voice overs of western films aren't notable reeks of regional bias.--Adam in MO Talk 02:27, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You don't have proof that it is, and you're ignoring the fact that it has been used as an effective argument in two AFDs, which are listed above. Read again. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 03:03, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The topic is this afd. WP doesn't operate by stare decisis. By the way, it'd be great if you dropped the condescention.--Adam in MO Talk 03:11, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It doesn't hurt to reference previous AFDs on what is constituted as an effective argument. If it has been proven to be an effective argument, it could easily be applied on all similar articles. But because you haven't, your counterargument means nothing and it is weightless. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 03:19, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, we will see how that works out here. Regardless you can drop the condescension.--Adam in MO Talk 03:22, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Using other deleted articles as a justification for deleting a different article is not a particularly good reasoning. Every article is different and should be viewed as an individual. Stating that your argument has already lead to a deletion is a clear implication of bias.SephyTheThird (talk) 11:14, 13 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Sengoku (One Piece). Dub roles are fine, that he is mentioned as the Sorting Hat for the Harry Potter film dubs is sourced. Buzzer Beater role as Yoshimune is main cast.  But other than that, his main role is from One Piece, which he is strongly associated with, and that isn't much to write an article. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 07:29, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect The dubbing of western works are not immediately notable enough. The truth is if there is any coverage it is almost certainly buried in Japanese media coverage which is likely to be unavailable. If someone comes across something that shows they are notable then it can be restored and added. Sengoku is his main notable role so this is the likely outcome. This should never have been an afd as it would have been safely covered by WP:BRD.SephyTheThird (talk) 11:14, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per well laid-out and defended rationales of Adamfinmo--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 17:02, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, except his points aren't valid. He has yet to prove his points, and I've already dismissed them due to lack of proof. Don't vote to keep an article if you can't be bothered to be objective about the subject himself. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 04:58, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. Do not redirect to an article on a single role. That is not going to serve a reader looking for information on this voice actor. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 13:26, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * We're not IMDB. We don't aim to archive every actor on the planet. If a subject is deemed to be non-notable, then they will not have a page here. If a reader wants to look up info for this particular voice actor, they may do so outside of this website. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 23:29, 15 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep per the rationales by Adamfinmo. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:15, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


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