Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Takumi Ogawa


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Technical SNG pass trumpted by obvious failure to pass gng Spartaz Humbug! 12:11, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Takumi Ogawa

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I believe this subject fails WP:NOTABLE. Tina Gasturich (talk) 17:25, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. If he played association football in a fully professional league, he is notable. see WP:NFOOTY. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:34, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs)  18:34, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs)  18:39, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Machida Zelvia was only in a fully professional league (J. League Division 2) for one of the years that Ogawa was on the team: 2012. And for most of 2012 Ogawa was on loan to a team in a non-professional league (in the Japan Football League). But he did play one match for Machida while it was in J2: as a substitute on March 11, 2012, entering in the 37th minute . That is sufficient to pass WP:NFOOTY. Michitaro (talk) 21:20, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep On the basis of what Michitaro has posted. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:19, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:03, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:03, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - one appearance a few years ago (to technically meet WP:NFOOTBALL) is not enough when he fails WP:GNG. Some WP:COMMONSENSE is needed here, and plenty of AFD precedent exists to say that barely passing NFOOTBALL is not enough when you fail GNG, see Articles for deletion/Oscar Otazu, Articles for deletion/Vyacheslav Seletskiy, Articles for deletion/Aleksandr Salimov, Articles for deletion/Andrei Semenchuk, Articles for deletion/Artyom Dubovsky, Articles for deletion/Cosmos Munegabe, Articles for deletion/Marios Antoniades, Articles for deletion/Scott Sinclair (footballer born 1991), Articles for deletion/Fredrik Hesselberg-Meyer (2nd nomination), Articles for deletion/Matheus Eccard, Articles for deletion/Roland Szabó (2nd nomination), Articles for deletion/Metodija Stepanovski and Articles for deletion/Linas Klimavičius, amongst others. GiantSnowman 08:58, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - He passes WP:NFOOTBALL as he has played in a Fully Professional League (J. League Division 2). IJA (talk) 09:12, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - WP:NSPORT in its lede says the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept (emphasis theirs). Given that this article only barely meets WP:NSPORT and very clearly fails WP:GNG, this article falls under that section of WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:01, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL with J2 appearance . Nfitz (talk) 03:54, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. The "Keep: meets NSPORT" 1votes overlook the key aspect of the relevant notability guidelines pointed out by Sir Sputnik above. I completely agree with Sir Sputnik that in a case where the subject barely meets NSPORT and resoundingly fails to meet the GNG, the outcome should be deletion.  Now, of cowhat urse, I can't be sure that the subject fails to meet the GNG as I can't search Japanese sources.  But none have been presented.  And we can't keep an article on an off-chance that the subject might meet the GNG. --Mkativerata (talk) 11:18, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:NFOOTBALL has played in J. League Division 2 which is a Fully Professional League.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:08, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, all we have as claim of notability is a few minutes in the Japanese second division... in addition of what Sir Sputnik said, WP:NSPORT also says: "standalone articles are required to meet the General Notability Guideline. The guideline on this page provides bright-line guidance to enable editors to determine quickly if a subject is likely to meet the General Notability Guideline." I don't think a low-profile footballer as this one has some chances to meet GNG, my searches returned just websites of stats, unreliable sources and some false positives. Not enough. Cavarrone 20:27, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - Yes this player passes WP:NFOOTY, but only barely. Consensus is for young players that they are given a grace period once they make their fully professional / senior international debut to become more established, but this player has clearly retired and so GNG is the only concern here. There is no indication in his brief career that any achievements were ever made that garnered sufficient significant reliable non-routine coverage to establish such notability. GS has shown clear consensus above for similar such careers. Fenix down (talk) 12:24, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, (t) Josve05a  (c) 00:01, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Delete, not notable enough. Kierzek (talk) 01:39, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per the long-standing consensus that subjects only just technically meeting WP:NFOOTY but comprehensively failing WP:GNG can be (and often are) deleted.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 01:51, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 18:00, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.