Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tal Vez (Marta Sánchez song)


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The result was delete and redirect to Mujer (album). Delete before redirecting to remove hoax/unverified info per Fram. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 21:28, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Tal Vez (Marta Sánchez song)

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This song fails WP:NSONG and is woefully under-referenced. Perhaps it could be redirected to Marta Sánchez and made create-protected. Kailash29792 (talk)  12:45, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:08, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:08, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:08, 13 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect to album. Note that as written, the song does not fail NSONGS, with claims of being a major hit in multiple (significantly large) countries. However, I can't find any evidence that this song was ever released as a single, never mind charted. If reliable sources with that info are found, it can be kept. The one source in the article though is an unreliable source. "Tal vez" is sadly a common espression in Spanish, so looking for specific sources isn't easy. Discogs doesn't seem to list the song as a regular single (promo only), which is a bad sign of course. Fram (talk) 13:15, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Amend to Delete and redirect, the song may warrant a redirect, but the hoax information should be deleted first. Fram (talk) 07:00, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose Fram, what Spanish-language 90's chart books did you consult? "Un segundo sencillo, "Tal Vez", fue provisto por Thomas Anders" the line "Like "Desesperada" it went to No.1 on the Spanish chart, but only to No.4 in Mexico, No.7 on the US Latin chart." is confirmed by es:Discografía_de_Marta_Sánchez In ictu oculi (talk) 14:09, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * "Confirmed" by Wikipedia = "Unconfirmed". That "source" has a link to Billboard, where this song supposedly charted at #7. Strange enough, I can easily find the "Desesperada" at #10 and "De mujer a mujer" at #22, but somehow Billboard "forgot" to mention that "Tal vez" charted at all... So, In icty oculi, do you have any reliable sources to support the "facts" you inserted two years ago, or have you created a hoax article? Fram (talk) 14:36, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, and the Prezi source you just added to the article is a machine translation from our enwiki article on Marta Sanchez. Please be much, much more careful with your sourcing from now on. Fram (talk) 14:41, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * let's say you're right - because frankly my interest in this is now over when the discussion gets to that level, let's say that the discography on Spanish wikipedia is clearly a hoax. Fram, you're very welcome to go over to Spanish wikipedia and delete that hoax discography information. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:45, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * So you a) create an article without any reliable sources, b) accuse someone else of not consulting any sources, but only provide eswiki as a source, c) add a Wikipedia mirror as a source, and d) chicken out when someone provides the actual evidence that the info in eswiki is clearly wrong, but still it is all the problem of people pointing out that you created this and not your problem? Why should we even let you continue editing here if we can't trust your creations and you have no intention of either providing actual evidence or correcting your mistakes? Fram (talk) 04:42, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm a volunteer here like you. I gracefully accept your information that the es.wiki information is wrong. And I politely and warmly encourage you to rectify the incorrect information on es.wiki. Do you see me grandstanding here? Delete this article, assume good faith all round, and have a nice day. God bless you. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:29, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You are responsible for "information" you add to enwiki. You have lost the chance at AGF when you opposed the deletion instead of checking the remarks made about the article contents, when you ignored it when others did present reliable sources that contradicted the article, when you relied on eswiki in the first place and then added a totally unreliable source to the article to support it, and finally when you left here because "frankly my interest in this is now over when the discussion gets to that level" (which is not really how I would describe "gracefully accepting information"). I have no interest in other language versions, keeping nonsense out of enwiki is hard enough, and your attitude and actions make this even harder. Fram (talk) 11:48, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it's the word "hoax" that I find particularly hurtful. I am feeling physically sick at this point. Have some mercy please. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:59, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Mujer (album) per 's comments. There don't appear to be enough reliable sources to satisfy WP:GNG.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:40, 17 September 2018 (UTC)


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