Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Talia Lavin (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Nominator opened based on being unable to find appropriate sourcing, but eventually it was found. Problem solved. Whether to merge this article into the book article does not need AfD. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:58, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Talia Lavin
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There's not much point to this page, he had a minor controversy four years ago, wrote a book two years ago. I've tried in vain to improve the page by looking for better sources and an update as to what he's up to now, but I think it may just be better to merge his biography onto his book page Culture Warlords and/or delete this article. Naihreloe (talk) 16:15, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Journalism, Literature,  and News media. Naihreloe (talk) 16:15, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Not extremely widely covered but notable enough per Molly White.--PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 16:28, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment how substantial/notable are the critical reviews given in the article? Book reviews are not in my toolbox of knowledge, unfortunately. Oaktree b (talk) 16:33, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Not particularly, it's essentially a collection of the reviews and comments he made in his books. Naihreloe (talk) 16:39, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete still not seeing notability. Oaktree b (talk) 19:47, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The references in the article are rather sloppy as most of them are links to the persons profile as contributor to certain news organisations. Never the less, this person meets notability through Significant Coverage, per these sources that are referenced in the article:
 * Talia Lavin: "La historia oscura de la sangre y del odio está en todas partes" | Público (publico.es)
 * Talia Lavin: Into the Abyss – Guernica (guernicamag.com)
 * New Yorker Fact-Checker Resigns After ICE Tweet Controversy (thecut.com)
 * Talia Lavin: Into the Abyss – Guernica (guernicamag.com)
 * “Infiltrarme en los grupos supremacistas en internet fue como bañarme en ácido a diario” | Transformación Digital | Tecnología | EL PAÍS (elpais.com)
 * And in the hundreds of articles about the person that can be found online such as for example (in no particular order):
 * What's antifa? Journalist Talia Lavin on the reality behind the media's "pernicious lies" | Salon.com
 * Left-wing Rolling Stone writer who called Buffalo shooter a 'mainstream Republican' falsely implied — as a fact-checker — that a disabled vet is a Nazi - TheBlaze
 * New Yorker staffer Talia Lavin quits job after falsely accusing ICE agent of having Nazi tattoo (nypost.com)
 * White Supremacy And Its Online Reach (npr.org)
 * Talia Lavin Fails as Fact-Checker, Succeeds as Smear Merchant | National Review
 * Talia Lavin, Who Falsely Trashed an ICE Agent As a Nazi, Just Lost Her Gig Teaching "Journalism" for a Hilarious Reason – RedState
 * 'Jeopardy!' contestant Talia Lavin on 'Turd Ferguson': 'I’m going to go for broke or joke' | Fox News
 * She Masqueraded as an Aryan Princess to Take Down Neo-Nazis (thedailybeast.com)
 * A Jewish writer spent over a year undercover on white supremacist message boards. Here's what she found. - CBS News
 * Former NYU adjunct: Buffalo mass shooter is a ‘mainstream Republican’ | The College Fix
 * Confronting white supremacy among our neighbors, our families — and ourselves - The Boston Globe
 * Why Transphobia Is at the Heart of the White Power Movement | The Nation
 * New Yorker fact-checker 'resigns' after slandering ICE agent and Marine veteran as Nazi | Fox News
 * Anti-Semitism, white supremacy and swords: Talia Lavin dives into the most hateful corners of the internet - Jewish Telegraphic Agency (jta.org)
 * NYU Cancels Former New Yorker Fact-Checker Talia Lavin’s Journalism Class (thewrap.com)
 * That has got to be significant coverage beyond any reasonable doubt? PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 20:19, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * that's why i'm pushing more for a merge into his book's page, since it's the same 2/3 events mentioned (being on jeopardy, the ICE incident and his book) in all sources. i'd rather not delete. Naihreloe (talk) 21:28, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, as far as I am concerned notability is not an issue and this article has "the right to exist" per notability. Whether it should or should not be its own dedicated article is up for discussion between any editors that want to contribute to the articles in question, but notability is not the issue here. I see that the article was previously a redirect to the book and someone thought it would be a good idea to make it a dedicated article. Perhaps AfD was not necessary? Isn't it ok to just go ahead to merge and redirect? If that person who made the article, or another editor, disagrees they can just revert and a discussion about it will be initiated in the talk page of the article. PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 22:15, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


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