Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tamanduá - A Brazilian Opera


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The result was   delete. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 08:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Tamanduá - A Brazilian Opera

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I could not find reliable sources to support notability of musical piece or performances thereof. Fails WP:MUSIC. Moogwrench (talk) 03:52, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep - References have been provided. Tamandua is the only operatic work in Brazilian Portuguese ever produced in the USA. It's uniqueness is in itself enough to justify the article. Brazilian press gave wide coverage to the work. The work was presented in concert format in New York and in the prestigious Peak Performances at Montclair, NJ. In the universe of classical music a single performance can be enough to establish the historical relevance of a work. In Opera this is especially so because an opera evolves the work of a number of people, soloists, chorus, orchestra, conductor, set design, costumes, light, etc and large amounts of sheet music, (a symphony averages 100 to 200 pages, an opera can easily go beyond 1000 pages) the mere fact that it is produced at all implies in a large number of people believing in the artistic quality of the product. This opera has achieved more than that. Previous comments were made while article was under construction and references had not been typed yet. --Humbertoego (talk) 07:17, 20 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding Humbertoego comment added by Humbertoego (talk • contribs) 06:59, 20 September 2011 (UTC)  — Humbertoego (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete. This work may one day become notable and article worthy, but not yet. It has not received a fully staged complete performance anywhere as far as I can see. These are workshop performances, with selected scenes or even just arias and performed in concert or semi-staged. It seems to have been ignored by the press when it was performed at Montclair State University in New Jersey by students and faculty in the John J. Cali School of Music Opera Workshop. I can find no reviews. And no, in the world of opera a single performance under these circumstances does not make the work historically significant. I've repaired all the broken links in the article so I could analyze the references. They do not attest to notability or wide coverage at all:
 * Ref 1. I've substituted the O Globo source with this one from BBC Brasil. O Globo merely reprinted it. It's an interview with the composer about the (then) upcoming performance in New Jersey. It is the sole reference to a reliable, reasonably independent source, albeit largely in the composers own words.
 * Ref 2 Puff piece for the (then) upcoming concert performance in New Jersey on BrazilNYC . Primary source, note: Submit your Event "Please, use the fields below to submit your upcoming event to BrazilNYC. Howevere, if you’d like to send us a full press release – and make someone available for an interview – please email us. As a norm, the more information you submit (artists’ bios, YouTube links, exclusive quotes, related articles … ), the more inclined we’ll be to write about your event."
 * Ref 3 Video clip posted on NME, no text, cast credits only
 * Ref 4 Another reprint of the BBC source.
 * Ref 5 Official website (primary source)
 * Ref 6. Facebook page (primary source)
 * Refs 7-15 Same 2 minute video from a 2008 concert performance posted on blogs or video hosting sites - no text
 * Ref 16 Article in Correio Braziliense about a documentary being made about the composer, not a "review" as described in the WP article . The opera is mentioned only in passing and the alleged "quote" appears nowhere in the source.
 * There are no reliable sources giving a completely independent analysis, description, or evaluation of the opera. The description currently in the article (and very unencyclopedic) was obviously written by the composer himself, or someone closely affiliated to him. Voceditenore (talk) 09:03, 21 September 2011 (UTC) updated 16:47, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been notified to WikiProject Opera - Voceditenore (talk) 09:13, 21 September 2011 (UTC); 09:38, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per voceditenore.4meter4 (talk) 23:13, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:GNG as it stands. But a good independent source supporting the claim that Tamandua is the only operatic work in Brazilian Portuguese ever produced in the USA would change things completely. Ping me if such a source emerges. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:00, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
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