Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tan Crone


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep per WP:SNOWBALL / premature nomination. Non-admin close Sheffield Steel talkstalk 19:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Tan Crone

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Does not seem notable via WP:BIO/WP:BAND. asenine t/c 01:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Has released many albums and meets our notability requirements. Further, WP editors must have courtesy for other productive editors and give them more than 30 seconds after creating an article before attempting to delete one of their newest articles; thanks. Badagnani (talk) 01:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Does indeed have multiple albums, but they're all self released it seems. He doesn't seem to be the subject of any reliable sources either. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 05:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - It's a "she" (it seems you didn't even read up enough on this individual to find out her gender?), and they're all on major classical labels--CBS, Deutsche Grammophon, Etcetera (a Dutch independent classical label), Unicorn, Thorofon, etc., except for the most recent release. It seems you didn't look up these labels either, just guessed (hoped?) they were released under her own label (they weren't). You can't have it both ways; the musician either meets our notability guidelines (she does, with over a dozen prominent recordings, on major classical labels, recorded with major classical vocal artists) or she doesn't (she does). Badagnani (talk) 06:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You're linking to the wrong CBS records. The album she released through CBS came out in 1980 through the original Columbia Records and not the CBS records revived in 2006. So that means two albums released through a major label (Columbia & DG) and several more through independent labels. --Bardin (talk) 06:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Okay, my bad -- didn't realize the notability of the labels. Meets critierion #5 of WP:MUSIC with ease. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 18:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Why is it that even when I do think things through, I still make so many *(@#$! mistakes? Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 18:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Blatantly Obvious Keep - Notable enough per criteria no. 5 for notability of a band or performer: Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable). Etcetera is a fairly well-known independent classical label that was established in the 1980s. They have released albums featuring many notable artists including the Arditti Quartet, Edo de Waart, Bernard Haitink, the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, the London Sinfonietta and numerous others. If you do not know any of these names that I have just mentioned, then you're obviously not familiar with classical music. Clearly, Etcetera qualifies as an important indpendent label despite the absence of an article on wikipedia. I have never heard of this Tan Crone before now but she has evidently released many albums on this important independent label. Therefore, she is notable enough to merit an article on wikipedia per the guidelines. --Bardin (talk) 06:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Bardin. --Kleinzach (talk) 07:40, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Contrary to Asenine's assertion, Crone satisfies (at least) WP:MUS criteria 5 and 8. Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep As are many up for AfD, this was nominated three minutes after article creation. Give it time. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 11:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: Nom seems to be in some manner of race, and has nominated a slew of articles for AfD moments after creation, well before the editors involved have had much chance to develop them. The obvious notability of this particular subject demonstrates the flaws in being in far too much of a rush to reload the New Articles page in time for the next AfD to actually bother to research claims or notability before nominating.    RGTraynor  15:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: I'm not familiar with the artist, but the article indicates that she has performed and recorded on respected labels as an accompanist for respected musicians. She certainly seems no less notable than other classical artists not in the "household name" category who have articles in Wikipedia, including some about whom I've written myself; to my way of thinking, at least in the world of classical music, "notable" and "superstar" are not synonymous. Drhoehl (talk) 20:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: Passes WP:MUSIC handily, and the edit history makes it clear this would have been patently obvious if the nominator had waited even a couple hours after article creation instead of 3 minutes before nominating. If you have a notability concern with a new article, tag it with notability and if it isn't addressed in a reasonable amount of time, then nominate it. AfD is clogged up enough, without adding hastily what need not have. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:49, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as above, passes WP:MUSIC given recent edits. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 22:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 14:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.