Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tanasak Srisai


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 00:07, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Tanasak Srisai

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:38, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 16:11, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable. — Ed! (talk) 16:36, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - there's a possibility he may have played one professional game, but that's hard to prove (it's not a coherent answer in the source, and nowhere else backs it up) - but let's be honest, he fails GNG by a mile and thus isn't worthy of an article yet. Lukeno94 (talk) 22:18, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete - article is about a footballer who hasn't played in a fully pro league or represented his country at senior level, which means that the articles fails WP:NFOOTY. Also fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. Mentoz86 (talk) 10:53, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like he passes WP:NFOOTY, but the article should still be deleted for failing WP:GNG per Paul_012. Mentoz86 (talk) 14:21, 21 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep - this is a tough one, as many of the sources available don't confirm any first team appearances. However, this source indicates he's made six appearances in the Thai Premier League (and scored a couple of goals), and this match report on a rival team's website confirms at least one of those appearances; this league is listed as a fully professional league meaning that he would pass WP:NFOOTBALL. I don't know if he passes the general notability guideline too - the only sources on the article right now are a stats page and a very brief news article which on their own wouldn't be enough to pass that guideline. I found one or two news reports in Thai but I doubt they would be enough to confer notability either. So, it's a keep !vote from me on the basis that he just about passes a specific guideline, but a weak one due to a lack of available sources. ★ Bald Zebra ★ talk 16:20, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: The first linked source doesn't indicate six appearances. It says he played in the 2012 and 2011 seasons wearing number 3. He's played in several matches; these reports are from some of them in 2012. --Paul_012 (talk) 06:46, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like you're right - the word "เบอร์เสื้อ" translates as "shirt". However, it looks like the second column shows the number of goals scored in that season.★ Bald Zebra ★ talk 10:00, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Delete (see comments below) - Not sure where Lukeno94 is "getting the fails GRG by a mile" thing from, googling his name in Thai brings back nearly 90,000 results. Now I don't speak Thai, but a lot of the web addresses look like news sites and other football related sites. I can't comment on the reliability of them all, but there is no way someone without knowledge of Thai can claim without justification that a player who's native name is not written in roman script clearly fails GNG. As it has been shown that he has played multiple times in a fully professional league, the number of sources clearly related to football that a google search of his Thai name bring back would suggest to me that he does in all probability fulfill WP:GNG, if only we had a Thai speaker to confirm. Fenix down (talk) 14:00, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Please remind me where ghits was remotely a reliable test for notability? Especially as you don't have any knowledge of Thai, so we have no idea what they are. Take a random Evesham United F.C. player without an article, Jake Meredith. He has 7.2 million ghits. And still fails WP:GNG. Your argument doesn't convince me in the slightest, but the others showing him to have played matches do - so I'm changing my vote to Keep. Lukeno94 (talk) 14:07, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It doesn't and that's not my point. My point is that you don't speak Thai (and neither does anyone else in this thread) so blunt comments like "fails GNG" are not valid, because you cannot tell. The reason you can tell with Jake Meredith is because you speak English. To narrow the search, here are 2,000 ghits for a search for "Tanasak Srisai" and Buriram United FC. Could you please tell me what any of these sources are about? No, you can't. Neither you, nor anyone else in this discussion are able to make any comment about the reliability of these potential sources. No claim of "fails GNG" so far has any validity, because there is no one in the discussion including myself who haseven the vaguest ability to read the language that majority of sources would be in. This is not to say that the article should stay or go, merely to observe the point that there is no merit in any of the points that have been made here. My view is that there is every chance that the player achieves GNG, we just can't tell and we should take it on good faith until shown otherwise. Fenix down (talk) 14:29, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The fact is, you can't just guess at an article passing GNG and vote keep. If it cannot be proven that it passes GNG, then delete is the answer. Also, see the comment below me. Lukeno94 (talk) 14:46, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I read Thai, and as with Yosapol Tiangda (also at AfD), couldn't find what I consider to be in-depth coverage in the first few pages of Google results. There are many news reports, mostly covering club movements and team arrangements. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:40, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You might want to make that clear in the other discussion then as though he might have played a few games, you seem to be saying that even in Thai he seems to fail GNG, I have adjusted my !vote accordingly. Fenix down (talk) 15:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
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